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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 01-09-2020, 07:02 AM Thread Starter
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shorter powerfull speyrods

I am looking for a powerfull shorter speyrod. I would use it to cast big tubeflys (at least 20cm) for huco or taimen.
The models I would be interested in are the scott radian ultimate scandi 12,6 foot #9 or the guideline nt8 12,9 #9-10.
Do you have any other suggestion for similar rods ?!

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post #2 of 22 (permalink) Old 01-09-2020, 10:15 AM
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The Bruce and walker 12’3 8-9 powerlite.
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You might also check out Bruce and Walkers new 12'6" rod in this weight class. I believe it's going to be called the 12'6" "Winter Run". Crazy good at lifting tips, grain window that somewhat defies comprehension, and will throw it short or far...and by far I mean CRAZY FAR! Shockingly powerful when asked. Absolutely kills with a mid-belly as well. Maybe one of these days I'll be able to share some video from a casting session this summer. I've never seen anything quite like this little rod.
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If you can find one, the Loop GASS 11'6" for a 9 is exactly what you want. Great short stick, can turn anything, but still has some forgiveness.

Feels much shorter than a 12.5 or 13 foot rod.
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post #7 of 22 (permalink) Old 01-09-2020, 01:29 PM
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G.Loomis nrx scandi 12'6" 9/10
I believe it's now discontinued so you may find one pretty affordable. As I did. I haven't really fished it yet. I can say it's super fast action though and I'm going to try it out beach casting for stripers this summer as well as Atlantics.
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Sage One 8126. Casts a 600grn Airflo Skagit or FIST very well and can turn over large flies and T14 tips no problem
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Echo used to make what your looking for it was made for chinooks ......big chinooks!
Anyone remember what it was called or specs?

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Echo used to make what your looking for it was made for chinooks ......big chinooks!
Anyone remember what it was called or specs?
Echo King 9wt or 10wt
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I am looking for a powerfull shorter speyrod. I would use it to cast big tubeflys (at least 20cm) for huco or taimen.
The models I would be interested in are the scott radian ultimate scandi 12,6 foot #9 or the guideline nt8 12,9 #9-10.
Do you have any other suggestion for similar rods ?!
I am fishing for hucho hucho here for several months each year in Bavaria with DH rods exclusively.
Donít think you can cast the flies you will need (to add chances to a reasonable percentage for this target fish) with Scandi rods.
I really prefer Scandi rods and Scandi casting wherever possible in salmon fishing, seatrout fishing and in the TroutSpey game.
But not for Danube salmon ! I tried, but itís impossible to cast the flies you need to use your seldom chances for this fish.

There are some methods using fly gear with a heavy fly as casting weight and a flyline between as a Ąflyfishing relevantď connection. Thatís not flyfishing. Using a spoon and spinning gear would be more honest.

So the question is, what you want to cast as a fly and if you want to stay flyfishing.
As long as you want the line as a casting weight, not the fly as an alternative spoon, forget Scandi lines first and Scandi rods second. You donít bring those flies out of the water and through the air for reasonable casting.

See it simplified as follows:
1. Flies up to 20 cm (high volume flies for Danube salmon) - lead to:
2. water anchor casting most of the time - lead to:
3. a proper Skagit line, minimum 540/570 grain - lead to:
4. a slow actioned, deep loading rod for slow acceleration of mass of line and fly:
Thats not what you get from a fast actioned Scandi rod. I know the Scott Radian DH series and own some NT8 rods.

Friends of mine are using Echo King rods of 13Ď in #9 or #10, paired with Airflo Compact Skagit heads in 600 grain and heavier.
I tried everything and was coming down to different rods of 13Ď in #8/9, paired with a shorter Airflo Switch Skagit of 570 grain and F.I.S.T. 540 grain. The shorter Switch is preferable because of more compressed mass for turnover, coupled with 15Ď tips Rio #8 and #9 or 12Ď OPST tips 132 grain, for casting fun and expectations in presentation. Donít let the short length of line fool you. Those flies are a lot of additional anchor !
Thatís the limit in downsizing and already needs a lot of control for casting the huge flies. And a lot of thoughts in fly tying is needed. Flies should be tied with non-water-absorbing material. To add some weight is possible but not necessary for depth. Thatís what we use the tips or line for.
There is only a chance in the times the fish is in the right mood. Then they leave their deep holes to move into shallow water, looking to feed fish up to 40/50 centimeters...
Thatís all you need - and luck !

But forget fast actioned Scandi rods for this special approach ! You wonít become lucky.
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while my hucho fishing is limited (one week in one watershed in Slovenia)
from what I saw/fished...I do not think swinging is the preferred method.

It is much like the pike/musky fishing
ambush predators that lay in wait .... holding in specific structure
Not methodically covering a run to find a "player"

and also in the evolution where people tried to used a 2handed "spey" rods... but have now moved back to 9' rod with a bottom grip


IMO The benefits of a 9' rod far outweigh the cons of Spey style rods/casting/lines
- fish a likely lie
- fish back into the rod tip
- compressed line systems built for the large flies


I really liked the Beulah Bluewater rods for heavy lines/flies on a stout rod
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Check out OPST's website with their new rod section. They have an 11'6" 8 wt shown. I about to pull the trigger on getting one, but need to see what Uncle Sam wants from me this year.

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@Wetwader,

I can readily understand why one might wish to avoid Scandi-style casting with 20cm tube flies -- sustained anchor casting would be best -- but should not some fast-action rods work well all the same?

If you can load the fast action rod into the lower portion, it should cast heavy Skagit heads just fine. Some may prefer using a full flexing rod and I do understand the appeal. Others may prefer the shorter, tighter casting stroke that comes with a faster rod.

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I'd look at anything Beulah in around a 12'6" offering or shorter. The platinum switch rods are an excellent buy and on close out many places now due to the G2 being out.
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