I am looking for a powerfull shorter speyrod. I would use it to cast big tubeflys (at least 20cm) for huco or taimen.
The models I would be interested in are the scott radian ultimate scandi 12,6 foot #9 or the guideline nt8 12,9 #9-10.
Do you have any other suggestion for similar rods ?!
I am fishing for hucho hucho here for several months each year in Bavaria with DH rods exclusively.
Donít think you can cast the flies you will need (to add chances to a reasonable percentage for this target fish) with Scandi rods.
I really prefer Scandi rods and Scandi casting wherever possible in salmon fishing, seatrout fishing and in the TroutSpey game.
But not for Danube salmon ! I tried, but itís impossible to cast the flies you need to use your seldom chances for this fish.
There are some methods using fly gear with a heavy fly as casting weight and a flyline between as a Ąflyfishing relevantď connection. Thatís not flyfishing. Using a spoon and spinning gear would be more honest.
So the question is, what you want to cast as a fly and if you want to stay flyfishing.
As long as you want the line as a casting weight, not the fly as an alternative spoon, forget Scandi lines first and Scandi rods second. You donít bring those flies out of the water and through the air for reasonable casting.
See it simplified as follows:
1. Flies up to 20 cm (high volume flies for Danube salmon) - lead to:
2. water anchor casting most of the time - lead to:
3. a proper Skagit line, minimum 540/570 grain - lead to:
4. a slow actioned, deep loading rod for slow acceleration of mass of line and fly:
Thats not what you get from a fast actioned Scandi rod. I know the Scott Radian DH series and own some NT8 rods.
Friends of mine are using Echo King rods of 13Ď in #9 or #10, paired with Airflo Compact Skagit heads in 600 grain and heavier.
I tried everything and was coming down to different rods of 13Ď in #8/9, paired with a shorter Airflo Switch Skagit of 570 grain and F.I.S.T. 540 grain. The shorter Switch is preferable because of more compressed mass for turnover, coupled with 15Ď tips Rio
#8 and #9 or 12Ď OPST tips 132 grain, for casting fun and expectations in presentation. Donít let the short length of line fool you. Those flies are a lot of additional anchor !
Thatís the limit in downsizing and already needs a lot of control for casting the huge flies. And a lot of thoughts in fly tying is needed. Flies should be tied with non-water-absorbing material. To add some weight is possible but not necessary for depth. Thatís what we use the tips or line for.
There is only a chance in the times the fish is in the right mood. Then they leave their deep holes to move into shallow water, looking to feed fish up to 40/50 centimeters...
Thatís all you need - and luck !
But forget fast actioned Scandi rods for this special approach ! You wonít become lucky.