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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 07-06-2019, 08:17 PM Thread Starter
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My review of 14' 7 wt B&W 3 piece...

I finally got my new B&W 14' 3 piece 7wt....(lite series or PNW series) be warned, this is a long one!!!

First off, WOW what a beauty.... so light in hand...Feel has a deep bend and i was very curious to see how it compares to my 13' 7wt in same series?

To start, the 13' has become my go to rod...i found it can do anything from dry line work to 12' T12 tips and big wonker flies...this winter on the skagit on runs like baker view bar on the south side...while i could cast it waaaay out there, swinging the fly i really needed that extra foot to hold the line up and slow it through the boulder area...

You never really know what your going to get with a new rod and after reading the other review i was hoping this rod would be similar in line wt to my 13'and not a 6wt as the other owner liked..

Everyone has different strokes and likes in lines and no rod is identical to the others so i brought the whole gambit of lines with me today....and of course i got to try um in a gale force down stream wind so a lot of my casting was done left hand snake roll..which is not my best casting position..

Ok so all that said...Damn this rod is a keeper...i sent Gene a text after an hour and told him simply "Dream rod"...

I started with a gaelforce 38' extended head line that was 540gr. as this and my 45' 6/7 winter authority were my lighter lines..The 540's was so easy to snake roll and poke out there 100' that i was kind of thinking, "Damn that was quick"....i felt like while it was a very easy casting line to 100' i wasn't really feeling the rod load like i knew it could...so I put on a 55' 7/8 w.a. which is around 580gr. Now this line really got my attention....it had no problem with the wind and i was poking it out there a good 120'... i took the dry tip off and put on a 109gr type 3 14' (old style airflo tip) and this could very easily be my winter set up...i tried a few single spey when the wind let up a little and holy smokes the line barked the reel with 50' of running line out....Now that impressed me and i knew right then i had found the big brother to my 13' ....I really liked how easy it was to track the line on the far side of the river with the extra foot and the feel was amazing as the fly pulled and bumped it way through...

I thought if this line works so well then ill try a 54' gaelforce 8/9 @ 585gr. Hmmm this line is interesting...it is an easy fishing line and while i normally like the heavy running line (integrated head)...i didn't care for it on this rod....it seemed to really hold it back...that said it was pretty easy to get it out there 100+ feet and i think if you spent time with this line and found the "sweet spot" it could become a go to line as well..

So now i thought.. i have all these damn lines so let's see what they are like?....I have this 470 gr. gaelforce EMT line that i have never found a good use for and it damn near cast all my running...that thing just jumped off the reel and with the down stream wind it was short enough that i could still single spey it on my right side and hit the other bank....Only problem with this line was i felt it was too short for my liking....it would make an awesome high wind any tip line...so well worth keeping in the bag.

I also had with me a 525gr FF steelhead finder which is said to be a 7...wasn't sure if it would be too heavy, kind of expected it to be but all it did was make the rod load deeper and i cast it with a type 3 tip as far as the EMT line...with the deeper load i could slow my lift and stroke down and it easily bombed the line....I thought to myself this could very easily become my winter line....I decided to go way up river and fish it down to see what i was like in fishing conditions? After doing that i would say that it does feel a touch on the heavy side at times and maybe a 500gr like is on my 13' might be better? That would be up to others though as its hard to argue with the distance this set up gives you...and its damn easy to cast and i finally felt a good load on the rod..

At this point i packed it in...i had my best bud with me and she was getting good swims in between line changes but i still felt like it was her turn for more...and unfortunately this damn chemo wears me out pretty quick....was a bit disappointed but Lola wasn't so it was time to go...

My last thoughts are this is a beautiful rod and build and while many prefer 4 piece rods, I love my 3's....the tip will lift anything and the deep flex is pimp....I had B&W build me an all cork bottom handle at 5" that is more like our rods over here...very skinny and matching the top...I REALLY like this handle but i think if its something you're considering...you might want togo with 6" ..... I warmed to mine and love it now but at first it kind of reminded me of my burkies which are a bit on the short side on some....where i noticed it mostly was on my left hand snake rolls...which took me a couple hand adjustments to work right....it made no difference to me though when i went to my single spey...absolutely money on that side....but thought i would put that out there all the same...
This rod is going to get the **** fished out of it...it is everything i was hoping for and more!!! i am so very pleased....Thank you Gene and Thank you B&W...
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Excellent review Paul
Sounds like an incredible stick !! I'm with you, I like the extra "foot or so" for line control on the water.
Thanks for adding in the line choices, along with tips. Nice to know what works
Excellent cork work, looks smooth as butter !! I like the choice in thread wraps ... reel choice just sealed the deal on that set-up

Glad you're getting out with the puppy, Lola looks really happy
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i should add I can see how mainah likes the lighter lines as they cast themselves with little effort. I'm not an expert but it seems to load higher up on the rod and the reason i liked the gaelforce 540g. head is it cast and fished with little of the head out so you don't have to overhead it at first to get the fly out...felt really good but it just started to flutter when you get past the 12 big strips of running line out... I tend to like to pound rods for some reason and cast way over the fish so i won't catch anything.... and i love to feel a rod load deeper....i have found that over the last couple years, lines i thought may be too heavy on a rod actually make the rod come alive...so don't be afraid to push the envelope a bit....the grain window on this rod is almost two fold....light easy and delicate....or lets get down and dirty...
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Hey Paul,

Would love to know which 70's work if you give them a try. Your description sounds like this truly is the big brother to the 13' 3pc. that both of us love so dearly.

Speaking of pushing the grain window envelope a bit, one of these days I'll fill you in on the new 12'6" Walker. Still trying to wrap my head around what we experienced at the last couple of casting sessions. Never seen anything quite like it!
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Hey Paul,

Would love to know which 70's work if you give them a try. Your description sounds like this truly is the big brother to the 13' 3pc. that both of us love so dearly.

Speaking of pushing the grain window envelope a bit, one of these days I'll fill you in on the new 12'6" Walker. Still trying to wrap my head around what we experienced at the last couple of casting sessions. Never seen anything quite like it!
i'm trying not to think about it, Gene has the 4 so i'm holding out for the 3...hope it takes awhile to get one...
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Great review, Paul! Nice colors on that one, and that full cork bottom handle makes it even lighter, if that's possible. I bet it's like holding a 14ft feather.

You've inspired me to put in more time with the heavier heads. I think you're on to something--the rod has so much power generation from down low and a bit heavier load ought to bring that out more.

Haven't christened it on a steelbow or Atlantic yet, but she's crawled through the gutter with me on a few big smallies and a the odd carp here and there. Plenty of fun to pass the Summer!
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Walkers....

Good feedback here sir. Have been thinking about a 14'6" 6/7 wt Walker.
I will have to get my info together and write a review of the 17' 6/7 Walker I worked on with Gene and Brian Potter three years ago...it loves to throw old XLT lines even though it was benchmarked on a 6/7 Ballistic Vector XL 55' (510grns)... there is much more to the grain window on these rods than meets the eye.

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I got a chance to get out today before my week down in the rabbit hole again tomorrow...
Been chomping at the bit to try a couple more lines...

Started with the 6/7 70' next cast...weight is in the wheel house for this rod at 578g. i was excited to try this line but unfortunately for me it didn't do much for me....i didn't "feel" the line enough and i had a hard time getting it to snake roll so scratch that one for me at least...
Next up was a 55' 7/8 FF this time instead of the w.a. This line i liked quite a bit..good feel and castability ... could be a contender for my CW line..last up was a 45' next cast 7/8 ...REALLY liked this line...shorter and easier to pick up and fling....i had a crappy a** 15' tip on there..always have a hard time finding a decent floating tip for the winter authorities...they never seem to fit the line right...and this was about the same...cast really well and is awesome with tips..but the floater has a hard time turning all the way over...fishable but that always pisses me off none the less....I'll have to go through my 20 or so extra next cast floating tips and see if i find a better one...or just get a fall fav.

Good afternoon on the water...warm with a medium wind...Lola got to swim and chase a bunch of sticks so both of us were pretty damn happy...

Oh and as a p.s. i found out the duchess reel 4" i've had for a couple years and never used balances this rod nicely...i'm looking at a bougle as well as it's got the capacity and is light weight ..... my go to reel for around here will be the green farlex that this rod was built around or my good old Taupo which works and balances on this rod and the 13' ...
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I have Tim coming down this weekend and will be trying the new bridge lines....excited about this as i have test cast them for over a year and now that are available for sale...

Yesterday i went out in the rain and wind (it's my good week so got to go) actually didn't mind it....wasn't horrible having rain in july..

I am really loving 2 lines...the 540gr gaelforce that i thought may be too light just takes a different casting stroke....this line can really go and has an easier feel to it...very nice to fish with...great turnover!!!
Next was again the 45' 7/8 fall fav. this line you can feel load up and casts like a freight train..just smashes out there...plenty of distance, that's no problem...only thing i don't like is it is typical NC in that you need more line out to get it to cast well and it didn't turn over as nice as gaelforce or fish as nice....

Good afternoon, dog loved it and swam lots...i walked away with more love for this rod and can't wait for the game!!!

as a p.s. i tied up some dries and boy this one is a winner!!! orange deer hair and squirrel hair...will tie a bunch of these !!
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Hey Paul,

Any idea when Tim is going to be making his lines available down here? Anxious to try them

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Tom,

I've got one coming, ordered through Michael & Young.
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Sounds like an epic rod! Good review. That Farlex looks killer too. What size is it?

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Sounds like an epic rod! Good review. That Farlex looks killer too. What size is it?

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Any idea when Tim is going to be making his lines available down here? Anxious to try them
Yes M&Y has um for sale now...don't think down here for now..i'll ask?
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one more update.....

Rod's grain window is ridiculous ....

I tried the "tributary" line from bridge fly lines and have the 7 @575g and 8 @625g .....the 8 actually will cut through a head wind and feels more like a 7/8 NC 45' then an 8wt. LOVE these lines...

Took out sunday my 525g steelheadfinder FF and put on a 10 and 15' dry tip...10 feels short but turns over...15 crumples often no matter what rod it's on..need to try a 12' .... this line otherwise has a really nice feel and is so easy to cast that i've kind of put the grain window on this rod between 540-625+ for max enjoyment....

God i have fun playing with my rod has serious backbone so not worried about big fish...but is fun enough to almost not want to put it down this summer...perfect Skagit river rod!!! Will use on CW this fall as well!!! knock on wood!!!

I picked up a 4" Bougle that is very nice on it for max capacity reel but still balances it nicely...
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