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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 04-10-2019, 10:30 PM Thread Starter
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Loop 11'6" 9 wt

Quirky rod. It's beautiful, well made, and I'm told an Anderson model, but very fast action. Loop doesn't show the rod on its website, or any 9 wt's in this short length. Any thoughts on what kind of line to use on it? A Rio Scandi 9 wt, at 550 gr 34 ft, seems like too much, but the 460 gr 32 ft Loop Custom line I was given with the rod feels to me a little too light and maybe (for my humble skills) a little too long.

I think what I should do is cut 4" off the Rio, so it would be 500 gr & 30 ft. But I don't know enough about Rio front tapers and where the weight of the line is, and of course it's a $60 experiment.
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I would tune the Loop line you already have shorter and heavier removing its rear section where the line quits getting thicker and replacing it adding shorter and heavier Skagit belly section.

I have made fly lines pulling cores inside cores using needles and welding using heat shrink tubing but end up using gluing with glued thread wrapping because it is easier than joining cores and stronger than welding.

I use sharp blade and cut coatings length vise about half inches sliding blade against core so that line core stay. Usually line coils and when inside bending radius is pressed against the work table the cut removes about half of the coating and core comes visible. Then I glue lines together using Cyan Acrylate using very little of it on other surface and then I press them together half a minute. Usually I find a need to form the join smoother using a blade.

I tape the thicker line to table so that joined section comes about two inches out of table and take fly tying bobbin and good synthetic thread and smear light coat of water proof PU (wader repair glue) and thread wrap the join over smoothly so that thread gets PU saturation during wrapping. Then five to ten half hitches which is only bit trickier moment in this whole process when bobbin needs to be dropped thru the loop I make to thread and half hitch should tighten to where the threading was previously advanced When finishing I make PU smooth and let dry overnight.

First photo is after CA gluing and making neat using blade and second has white thread wrap which PU coating made transparent. When cores overlap at least 1/3 inches this type join is as strong as intact line.

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Thanks for the thoughts, and the photos of some beautifully-done work.
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I don't know Loop rods much but "Switch" length in the past were rated closer the AFFTA single hand line standard than two hand line standard. My 9wt single hand rod lines have about 300gr heads.

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"Quirky" but VERY capable I've never had a Goran version in hand but the older Colour Series Greenline has been with me for years.. if anything, guessing a little quicker action than the GASS (Goran Andersson Signature Series)

Your Loop head is to light for sure (my opinion) I like 510 - 530gr Scan head on the Green.

Personally I believe it's better to trade / sell unaltered heads. Replace with something in target area.

RARE rods.. one other member here had (has?) a Green as well.. he liked RIO's Scandi Short VT 9wt.

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I fish my GASS 9116 all the time. Itís incredibly light in hand and extremely strong. I donít believe loop makes that rod in the second series, but instead a 8116.

Donít underline it if you want to fish tips, etc. IMHO it fishes best with something like a 600 skagit Max short. I really think this is a good skagit rod and it feels best to me with a short line.
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Many thanks for taking the time to provide these comments. The rod is certainly a Green Line 9116, and I appreciate the comment about chopping up a full length Scandi head, esp after looking at the head design for the Scandi Short and Skajit Max Short. You are gentlemen & scholars.
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Not sure what your primary fishing is. If it involves sink tips (works fine with correct weight floating tip as well) and realistic (NOT hero) length casts I've found the RIO Scandi "Body" to be quite capable. As Goran says (paraphrased) Cut line to the correct weight FIRST.. adjust length to fit your place of fishing.
In this case RIO has already done the cutting, you can adjust total weight (and length) by varying your sink tips (pre-fab or custom)

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The Scandi body is a short body to which a multitude of tips can be attached – it is the most versatile design of all, and blends Skagit power with Scandi grace. It is ideal for anglers that want to travel light, yet have multiple fishing options. To the front end of the body anglers can attach regular 10 ft & 15 ft tips, MOW tips, “T” tips, iMOW tips or VersiLeaders, and with three different body densities to choose from (floating, intermediate and Sink 4), all water conditions are covered.

For an accurate guideline of which tips match best to which body, check out the document “Making sense of RIO’s Spey Offerings” at Spey Central.

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circlespey: Does the GASS 9116 rod have a thick or narrow tip? Probably narrow I would guess given your description of the rod as a "good Skagit rod".

Does the GASS 9116 compare at all in terms of action and performance to the SAGE TCX 7126?

bogbrook: If circlespey's GASS 9116 rod is the same as yours and the rod is indeed well matched to a 600 grain Rio Skagit Max Short head, then I would expect that the rod would be well matched with a Scandi-head or Scandi-style head (e.g., the NextCast FFxy family) that is close to or heavier than 625 grains.

You could always cast a far lighter Scandi head off the tip but that would limit the head's versatility and would complicate short casts with much of the head inside the rod, which in Great Lakes tributaries would be important for a few anglers but not necessarily important for anybody else.

A 600 grain Skagit head matched to a 10 foot T-11 sink tip would weigh a total of 710 grains.


Head length: A Max Skagit Short head at 20 feet long might be a bit short, even on an 11 1/2 foot long 2-hand rod. Probably depends on how tall you are and how you prefer to fish. Do you cast from shore or from ankle deep in the water or do you prefer to wade out to crotch depth or deeper?

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I think the best bet for the Gaspe in the 2nd half of June is probably a short Scandi, maybe the Scandi Body with the tips. The Skajit Max would probably be a good bet also, but better for the Salmon River next winter if I make it. 600 grains sounds like a lot, but I appreciate that view from someone who has worked with the rod, and I haven't used tips much.

The line I last used on the rod was a Scandi 34 ft and 550 grains. I think it was too long and a little too heavy. If I cut 4 feet off the butt it would be 30 feet and 500 grains, but if I understand the diagrams of tapers the weight distribution might not be right.

Have never cast the SAGE TCX. Will check out Spey Central.

In any event, many thanks for all these comments.
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First and foremost here, it's important to note that the 'GASS' and 'Green Line' are different rods even though same brand, length, and line class.

bogbrook; I recognize your intent for this rod now, it's just so much more common for folks to be fishing sink tips*. The rod is definitely more fickle with floating type Scan heads.

RIO 'Scandi Body' 8/9 - 23' and 425 grain. Add 10' In-Touch 9wt Tip at 96 grain = 521 grains at 33' - These tips are available in floating as well as multiple densities of sinking.

I bought Airflo Compact Scandis in 510gr and 540gr.. One felt a tad light, the other a tad heavy (go figure!) Of the two, for fishing, I would have chose the 540gr.

Airflo's 'Rage' head might be an option.. 29' - 30' head then run a good Poly leader to smooth it up some.

Also tried RIO's 'AFS' in an 8/9 - 520gr and 38.5' plus 15' Poly.. Got some impressive hero casts, BUT this from less than knee deep water. Met friends later for fishing and head combo was to long for the deep wading we had. Both friends better casters than me and each of them struggled with combo as well.

The common denominator here (for me) was 520 - 530 grain range.

*I ran a 550gr RIO Skagit on mine with tips and got along great. A little quicker casting stroke than disciplined Skagit style but right at home for folks familiar with Scandi heads.

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