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Back to the original topic, I have not cast both rods. Love the CND but agree with Xgolfman on where it fits line weight wise. Iíve been itching to cast some of the Powerlites but have not done so yet. Curious as to your thoughts if you end up comparing them side by side.

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If you are desirous of trying a 13' 6/7 Powerlite feel free to shoot me a PM. I will be over in the Sea-Tac area next weekend if anyone would like to get together and give mine a try.
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If you are desirous of trying a 13' 6/7 Powerlite feel free to shoot me a PM. I will be over in the Sea-Tac area next weekend if anyone would like to get together and give mine a try.
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Back to the original topic, I have not cast both rods. Love the CND but agree with Xgolfman on where it fits line weight wise. Iíve been itching to cast some of the Powerlites but have not done so yet. Curious as to your thoughts if you end up comparing them side by side.
and if you can't make that you can try mine anytime Duggan, As to other observations, the 13' 6/7 is the new "light" series, its lighter and a helluva lot more powerful then 1307-3 T&T which i have owned and considered the first true steelhead rod...it's the PNW series of rod and makes you double check the label..

The rod is light enough that i use a hardy taupo 3 7/8 on mine or my 3.5 olson...500gr. i don't consider heavy but then i don't fish for pond fish...
Cowboy Tom is an experienced rep and a wealth of knowledge in lines and casting..every rod has it's own variance..even B&W's...mine sings with 500gr.
The CND which is superb is a line weight lighter and what i consider a true 6wt. the B&W IMHO is a strong 6 to old school 7wt. it has enough backbone though that it should land most steelhead out here we fish for.....(actually same with CND for that matter to 15lbs to be safe)

What i always find ridiculous with these posts is someone asks and you are given replies from two guys with more years on water and casting then probably the whole lot of others and some of you will still find reason to question or interpret your own agenda into it without an inkling of what either rod does???? Guess that's why i don't post much anymore...
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I'm quite curious for what you fish where 500 grains is too much? Of course that is too many grains (and the rods which would throw said grains would be 'pokers') compared to 4wt 9' trout rods or the like. Or a lot of steelhead situations as well. Plenty of fish to be efficiently angled and played on rods casting lighter lines. Yet I took the original post to be more steelhead-centric and the two rods in question are undoubtedly right in the sweet spot for most. 500 grains is certainly not too many for a lot of situations nor would the rods be pokers. It is all a matter of perspective, I haven't fished a two hand rod that casts anything lighter than 570 grains for years. Casting efficiency under the conditions and required repeated distances factor into why. A rod with a 500 grain sweet spot feels like a noodle to my hands.

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Hi William,

You should always fish how you want to fish

You make an excellent point. Most of us want to land fish quickly for their own health and rehabilitation success. A rod that casts more grains makes that easier in most cases. It’s also likely to be easier to use in the wind, get more distance, and be ready to rumble should you hook El Guapo

As you stated, this is about steelhead not chinook or salmon or even Atlantic’s. I never understood the desire to overline rods so much because heavier lines are more work. Unless you require it to cast large heavy flies like squidros and the like which were so popular years ago and still employed some today. Then you need a line that can comfortably work those flies

Bob Clay who has fished what’s likely the strongest steelhead in North America for years feels 350grains can land any steelhead. I mention this because there is a small group of self aggrandizing anglers in the PNW who give reverence to themselves as though streetcred is necessary in this niche style of the sport.

So they would only consider the opinion of someone they deem as mighty as themselves to be adequate. Clay of course is a legend and embodies all that is good in this sport imo

It’s unfortunate too since you would think an “old timer” like some here, whom have lots of experience would understand the bigger picture here and were that the case, would possess less impertinence. But it turns out a lot of them have just been fishing this whole time

Bob Clay will also tell you that materials and their evolution have been and remain critical to getting the most out of the art, the production, giving an edge to the angler, and providing the best experience a designer can for his angler.

Comically Xgolfman has confided in me privately that it was B&W Rods heaviness which led him to CND and to part with so many of his own B&W. Although I was discussing the American penchant for heavy lines

Be that as it may, if you take two anglers; one just started and one has been fishing for years, and put them on the same beat on the same river on the same day - what’s really going to separate them? Casting prowess, selection of the fly IF you think that matters and many don’t, and luck.

How many guides have taken clients to a run and the client hooks up with a life time fish in the first hour. A LOT have!!!!

Anyone with a wallet can fish the Hoh or the Dee or the Deschutes or the Gunnison or the mighty rivers of Quebec. Angling happens the world over. Spey anglers are a tiny small group of overall population who engage the sport. Tiny. Most of us have good intentions

As far as where I fish: I’ll be fishing from Alaska to Scotland, the Natnek to the Dee and every New England river I can. There are large fish here if you know where to go. I’ll be towing a 6w and 7w as that’s what I like to cast and that’s what I was told to bring

If you haven’t fished a lighter rod William, maybe you might give it a go. You know what’s cool though. All the European anglers I meet and talk at length to, are gregariously generous, modest, inviting, and relaxed. No chip on the shoulder and no conceit

Fish what you like. I think B&W Rods are great rods
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There are times I wonder why I even come on this site anymore. This is one of those times.

Apologies to the OP, it was an interesting thread (until it wasn't).
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A friendly reminder to all to keep this on track as related to the OP’s question on specific experience with the rod’s he’s inquiring about. A good question led to some good discussion and input and quickly turned in to a tit for tat on unrelated rods.

JJames...you’re correct...this is a good place to discuss opinions and experiences, but what you’re referencing in no way relates to the OP’s question. Almost feels like a deliberate hijack of the thread purely to turn it in to a debate. If you have something to add that specifically relates to the CND or B&W from the original post that’d be appreciated. If you’d like to debate the merits of materials, tapers, grain weight and how they relate to your fishing experience...sounds like a good start to a thread of your own. I’d imagine it will generate quality discussion.

Folks, we all come here to “hang out”, share experiences and gain a bit of knowledge. I’ve yet to come on here hoping to get in to a debate with someone on a topic unrelated to a specific question I’ve asked. In the interest of keeping the peace and a good experience for all, how’s about we choose to play nice. If any part of a potential post leaves you with the feeling of “can’t wait to see the reaction from this”...maybe just don’t post it. Save us the grief. I really don’t want to shut a thread down, but we’re reaching that point.
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When someone brings up something said in a PM it only shows how low this place has become with guys like you J.J.
Zero respect for you!!! Pretty much all to common recently..

I'm down in Tx. fighting something pretty horrible...i took some pleasure coming here...i don't anymore because of B.S. fm guys like this...I am gonna see my friends on the rivers somewhere...fishing for steelhead that i love with the rods that i also love....My friends, you know who you are....Peace!!!
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