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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-07-2008, 03:28 PM Thread Starter
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g.loomis trout spey advice

I am looking for a first spey rod Trinity and lower Sac. I am looking at the Metolius trout spey but I have also noticed that there is a small 5/6 12'6" Kispiox Dredger. The shorter length would make for a much better boat rod.

I can't find any info on the small Dredger. Can someone provide a description or comparison to the Metolius?

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G. Loomis 12' 6" 5/6

I have not seen the new Dredger 12 6" 5/6 but I plan on getting it soon, I'm sure it is a great rod and a good price at that. The Metolious 13' 4" 5/6 is a fantastic rod and one that I would highly recommend. It is a full flexing rod that casts equally well with a XLT long belly type line or a skagit style line. A 400 gr. Rio is right on and effortless to cast. I spoke with a G.Loomis employee about the 12' 6" Dredger and he said it was rated for a 400 gr. Skagit style line also. In my opinion the 13' 4" Metolious is more of a 6/7 rod that is fully capable of handling 10 - 12 lb. Steelhead. I hope and suspect that the Dredger 12' 6" will be touch lighter and will cast both Skagit and Short Head spey lines equally well. Can't wait to get my hands on one! - Lawrence S.

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While I have yet to cast the new dredger I have waggled it and I would say that it is quite a bit softer than the metolious but the dredger can be deceiving without a line on them. They should be great fun for trout though and will be my new client rods for the upcoming season on the upper Columbia.

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I just picked up the new Dredger today with an AFS 400gr head and some Airflo 10ft poly-leaders. I plan on throwing it tomorrow. I will report back.

I picked up this rod for small water summer steelheading. The guy at the fly shop couldn't stop raving about it. He spent a lot of time this fall playing with it on the Klickitat, and Grand Ronde throwing both the AFS head and a cut down Airflo Skagit head.

We'll see should be a fun stick.

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First impression of the baby dredger

I spent a couple hours today throwing my new G Loomis 12'6" 5/6 dredger. I casted a Rio AFS 400gr head on Slick Shooter running line. First round was with a Airlfo clear 10ft floating poly-leader, 4ft of 8lb Maxima and a #4 Polar Shrimp. The rod felt very light in the hand, It throws nice tight loops with this line. It is the first set up that I could step right in the water and throw a single spey without much adjustment. I then switched to a Super fast sink 10ft poly-leader 3ft tippet and a 2.5" Moal leech tied John Newberry style without the hide. This setup took a little more work, I had to roll cast down stream to get the fly to the surface before starting the cast. When it all came together it turned over great and was able to shoot 4-5 yards of running line. I think with a fly change this setup could be very sweet with the sinking polys. My main reason for tying on the moal was to see the limitations of the rod.

It my opinion this is a great rod for throwing a floating line setup or short (10ft or less) poly leader fishing. If you plan on fishing it with a floater most of the time th 400gr head is the way to go. I was also told that with a SA single hand skagit head this rod will turn over 8ft of t-14 no problem.

I have a Rio Midspey 8/9 that I'm going to cut up and make a Skagit head. I'll let you know how that pans out.

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i fished the 5/6 dredger this fall and it rocked. i beggin' and pleadin' for a glx version.

this is what i wrote about the rod this fall...

I threw the 6/7 Rio AFS Head and it was perfect, IMHO. With his line it threw the various 10' VersiLeaders...even the fastest sinking ones w/o a problem. Also, I took a 450 Rio Skagit and hacked 5' off the front then attached various lengths of type VIII sinktip (total grains around 460)...again, perfect!

and it handled smaller steelhead without a problem...

just as a note, i own the 12'9" dredger and the #5/6 is a much differant action.

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i have the metolious 5/6 trout spey.* it's a great little spey rod.* it has a more traditional action.* i use a windcutter 5/6 multi tip on it.* it casts well but, it is definately a different casting stroke than used with the dredger rods.**i had the 6/7 glx dredger before but found it a little to much rod for trout fishing at the time.* i do however miss this rod and wish i still had it.thanks to the loomis guys for finally making a 5/6 dredger.* i can't wait to try it.bottom line is that the 5/6 dredger, 5/6 trout spey, and 6/7 dredger are all kick ass rods. it will depend on your casting style.* do you want to cast traditional style or skagit?* how much running line do you want to strip in every cast?p.s.* i've found that you only nead a mid level reel on these small spey rods as a high end reel will not see the load they are designed for.good luck picking out a rod.* you won't be disappointed with any of these.Boyd.

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go with the trout spey if you want to cast traditional, or underhand. use short head multi-tip line like windcutter or maybe an AFS head and 10' polyleader for underhand. or go with the dredger for ability to cast a little larger fly and heavier tip.

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My $.02

I have the Metolius and think it's a great light weight rod. For me, 400 grains is dead on and I fish it with a Vision head cut back to 400 grains with a 14 foot floating polyleader for surface presentations. For sinking tips, I cut back a 450 grain skagit head to 400 grains and it will throw 11 feet of T-10 60 - 70 feet very comfortably with a MOAL on the end. As an add'l benefit, that setup requires a pretty small D-loop making it my choice when fishing in tight quarters.

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An option for light speys would be to take a look at Gary Anderson's light rods - he has a 12' 4 wt - likely closer to a 5 that is just a kick - it is my go to rod fishing the Klamath - it is pretty soft and easy to throw tailing loops if not careful but it is great with a skagit set up (9/10/11 WC body is wonderful!)

Not sure how close to Sacramento you are but Kiene's shop in Sac I believe is the only dealer that carries his rods - call and ask for Jeff Putnam or Bill
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For those who like the flex and feel of the Loomis Metolius, Meiser has a new proto type 13 foot 5/6 that will knock your socks off. Probably 90 days from delivery. Steve
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In search of the appropriate water...

For those of you who are Metolius owners, I wanted your thoughts on the ideal waters for fishing this rod. I think I've been taking it out on rivers that lack the necessary width for this rod to perform. I've found myself in the trees and bushes on the far bank often with casts in the 50 foot range. I'm a beginner and this is my first rod. Should I switch water or should I switch rods to something like the Decho 4 of a 4/5 switch rod? Help!
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G Loomis Trout Spey in Pennsylvania

Hi, I have a G Loomis Trout Spey ,and use it for the Mighty Lehigh River , as well as The Delaware, Pine Creek,and the Little Juniata.I stick to a Rio Windcutter 5/6 floater.I have a Teton Tioga #10 on it and this rod kicks butt. Also i will use it up New York on The Cattaraugurus for Steelhead.

Try using your rod on bigger water ,if you are gonna use anything on the Broadhead Creek Stick to a single hander in 10' or 11" in a 4 or 5 weight with a Rio Windcutter floating trout line in those weights fished on a single spey or where it permits overhead casts . I have ebeen single speying for trout 10 years now and know that single will do you good on the Broadhead Creek its just not wide enough for the Trout Spey on that size creek.

If you are into smallmouth it will also do you justice on the Lehigh, Delaware,And Susquehanna Rivers and you can cast poppers on flats and swing streamers, buggers,and Clouser Crayfish . I have gotten this rod this year from a fellow of this site in the classifieds and it was one of the best buys i have ever purchased. I'm looking into that Gloomis Kispiox Dreger 12'6" for 5/6 to try skagit style with streamers for the the Big Browns this fall on the Lehigh.Ill probably order that one from REDSHED or RED'S. I also love the way those Meiser rods look and from what i read on thi and another forum they come highly regarded as well as the Gloomis brands do. Any way if you want sometime send me a pm and maybe we can meet on the Lehigh.
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Wow- nice to hear from someone who's local. thanks for the advice. What stretches fo teh Lehigh do you fish? I've taken it up around the Tannery.
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Hi, i fish the lehigh with the Trout Spey from the dam on big pools all the way down to my home town EASTON. for trout stick to below the dam to Laury's Station. Below that its Smallmouth water.Above the dam its one hander water just spey with a windcutter on smaller water and you will get into fish too. send me an email at [email protected] maybe we can get together and fish.
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