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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 06-19-2016, 03:46 AM Thread Starter
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Sage One 3110 vs 4116?

Thinking about of taking advantage of the closeout sale to buy an One, light weight double hander, and deciding between the 3110 Trout Spey and 4116 switch. What's your pick?

Currently I have a Z Axis 6110 and a TCX 7126. The Z is more a 5/6wt whereas the TCX is a 7/8wt. Would you get the 3110 or 4116 for the next rod? I hope they can handle different applications without overlapping too much.

I heard the 4116 is a very versatile rod which could handle lines much heavier than its 4wt rating. How about the 3110? I don't like if it's too soft and losing versatility.

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I only have the 4116 but my understanding is that the lighter one was designed as much more of a trout switch and NOT just the next size down. The 4116 is definitely a "mini Spey" in that it is beefy. For example Simon Gawesworth has written that he used this on the deschutes for summer steelhead. I think the answer to your question depends on what you mean by "versatile". I don't feel the 4116 would be much fun on small trout, for example. Weird to say that about a 4 weight but this one is special. Otherwise if you would rather have a rod that can handle more fish on the upside size wise that is probably what you a looking for. Hope this helps a little.
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What are you looking to do with it?

For a true trout spey the 3110 is great, 250-275 grain window, turns over big bugs and is still fun with an average size trout.

4116 Is a tweener. Its a nice casting stick, but too stout to be fun on all but large trout, and a little under gunned for Steelhead, certainly wouldn't want to use it for summer fish if the water is too warm. It has a home for Trinity/Klamath/Rogue fall fishing where average fish aren't huge and there are lots of half-pounders around. Would fish well on the Rhonde as well.
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It may sound silly but actually I am not a trout angler. I may travel to chase trout once or twice a year but most often I fish warm water and saltwater. Me and some local friends are trying to use spey casts in places where back cast space is limited. Eg. rock bars/walls, pond/lake with trees behind, etc. When back cast is possible, I also cast these long poles overheaded.

So I am looking for the next weight I should add. For example, I go even numbers for my single handed rod so if I have 6, 8, 10, the next thing would be a 4. But for the rods mentioned, the Z Axis 6110 seems to be a very soft 6 whereas the One 4116 is a very strong 4. I checked the Rio pdf of line recommendations that the One has max. Skagit wt at 325gr and the Z has min. at 325gr too. So they could cast the same line! I also read that peoole fish a 350gr Ambush on the One and someone caught a 22lb GT in Maldives! (check out youtube) So if I buy the One 4116 would I end up with too very similar rods?

The 3110 seems to be more fun for smaller fish. Is its action as fast as the big brothers or made softer/slower especially for the Trout Spey line? I prefer a faster rod. My current Z Axis feels a bit too slow for me and wobble too much (though Sage also rated it as fast, but I think its not).

Finally, I still couldn't really justify to buy the 3110. With all the new lines, such as the OPST, Skagit Trout and Intouch SHS, it seems that I could do all the spey casts on my normal 9' 5wt single handed rod. What's the advantages of going 11'? I think it only shines when swinging and mending?

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Also keep in mind the 3110-4 is not going to be discontinued so no discount. Same with the 4116-4 from what I understand about Sage's trout Spey lineup moving forward.
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The discontinued Sage ONE Spey rods are 6wt - 10wt only.

One more year for 2wt-5wt production of ONE series.

I have both 4116 & 3110 rods, agree with above comments.

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It may sound silly but actually I am not a trout angler. I may travel to chase trout once or twice a year but most often I fish warm water and saltwater. Me and some local friends are trying to use spey casts in places where back cast space is limited. Eg. rock bars/walls, pond/lake with trees behind, etc. When back cast is possible, I also cast these long poles overheaded.

So I am looking for the next weight I should add. For example, I go even numbers for my single handed rod so if I have 6, 8, 10, the next thing would be a 4. But for the rods mentioned, the Z Axis 6110 seems to be a very soft 6 whereas the One 4116 is a very strong 4. I checked the Rio pdf of line recommendations that the One has max. Skagit wt at 325gr and the Z has min. at 325gr too. So they could cast the same line! I also read that peoole fish a 350gr Ambush on the One and someone caught a 22lb GT in Maldives! (check out youtube) So if I buy the One 4116 would I end up with too very similar rods?

The 3110 seems to be more fun for smaller fish. Is its action as fast as the big brothers or made softer/slower especially for the Trout Spey line? I prefer a faster rod. My current Z Axis feels a bit too slow for me and wobble too much (though Sage also rated it as fast, but I think its not).

Finally, I still couldn't really justify to buy the 3110. With all the new lines, such as the OPST, Skagit Trout and Intouch SHS, it seems that I could do all the spey casts on my normal 9' 5wt single handed rod. What's the advantages of going 11'? I think it only shines when swinging and mending?

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I can't comment on the one Spey or the Zaxis as never used them. I do have the 4116 which I bought to practice Spey casting on local trout lakes as I have no decent rivers nearby. The 4116 has turned out to be an excellent lake tool. I use mainly an Airflo switch floater 270gr with a 10' floating trout polyleader. This is a great outfit which Spey casts well and also can be overhead cast either double of single handed. It absolutely flies out! I use the 300gr if it gets very windy and the RIO SSVT4wt on rivers.
I can certainly recommend this rod on lakes as you can fish with no back cast room, over head cast to the horizon and work a bank with a wind into your casting arm which single handed rods find difficult. Biggest trout on the rod about 5lb and biggest grilse 6lb. Great fun for this size fish and smaller. I would imagine it could handle fish to 10lb but never managed this yet.
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I remember seeing that one. LOL Not what I would consider a well balanced rod for that fish, but it DOES show what is possible. :-)
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The 4116 seems to be a really versatile rod. If I haven't had the Z Axis 6110 already I ll jump on it without a thought.

For the 3110 owners, how far could you cast it with a Skagit + light MOW + streamer setup? Is it only good for swinging close quarters like 25 - 50'?

I need to make 80' casts constantly is the 3110 able to do this? So far my Z Axis 6110 is casting light MOW and streamers to 80' quite well.
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I need to make 80' casts constantly is the 3110 able to do this? So far my Z Axis 6110 is casting light MOW and streamers to 80' quite well.
Yes, if you are a good caster.
I like the RIO Skagit Trout 250gr and OPST 250gr lines with 2.5ft and 5ft T-8 MOW tips.

For that distance comfortably, I prefer the Sage 4116 ONE.

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80' is no problem with a Trout Max, Medium MOW and a big bug. Mono certainly helps, but I use CC running line for the Trout Speys and still get plenty of easy distance.

That GT vid is a kick.
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I don't know about the 3110 Sage One microspey but I cast the 2 weight microspey with an OPST head and 15 ft of t-14 (OPST sink tip) and it was way powerful and light. If I was swinging large flies for 12-15" fish I would get it. Its fun to cast but I don't need it for where I fish.

I've cast the 5116 One switch and if it's anything like the 4116 it casts a large window of grains and is super versatile.
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Thanks for all the suggestions.

So I am going to order a 3110, as the 4116 is a bit too close to my Z Axis.

As I have mentioned earlier I am going to use this rod for ponds, lakes, and ultra light saltwater, where I am mostly standing on the bank, without wading.

Sage suggested the Rio Skagit Trout Max 275gr for this rod, but with its 11' head would it be too short for where I fish? I am afraid of keep pulling anchor.....I heard that this very short 11' head is better for wading to at least knee deep.

Would the 17-20' Skagit Max Short 250/275gr be better for me?

The other lines that I am interested are:

Scandi Short Versitip 4wt (275gr) Rio haven't made any lower weight yet, would it be too heavy? I like it being a "Scandit" line.

Intouch Switch Chucker 3wt

Ambush 6wt

I'd be stripping streamers so integrated line maybe good idea too?

FK, I have read your line testing for the 3110. Hope you could chime in.

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Thanks for all the suggestions.

So I am going to order a 3110, as the 4116 is a bit too close to my Z Axis.

As I have mentioned earlier I am going to use this rod for ponds, lakes, and ultra light saltwater, where I am mostly standing on the bank, without wading.

Sage suggested the Rio Skagit Trout Max 275gr for this rod, but with its 11' head would it be too short for where I fish? I am afraid of keep pulling anchor.....I heard that this very short 11' head is better for wading to at least knee deep.

Would the 17-20' Skagit Max Short 250/275gr be better for me?

The other lines that I am interested are:

Scandi Short Versitip 4wt (275gr) Rio haven't made any lower weight yet, would it be too heavy? I like it being a "Scandit" line.

Intouch Switch Chucker 3wt

Ambush 6wt

I'd be stripping streamers so integrated line maybe good idea too?

FK, I have read your line testing for the 3110. Hope you could chime in.

Thanks.
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