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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 11-22-2014, 10:36 AM Thread Starter
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Opinion on Meiser S2H11724C-4

I'm considering getting a S2H11724C-4 for my general trout duties. I need a trout sized TH rod to get all of the practice I can get with two hands.

I'm not interested in an Echo, don't want a TFO, Mystic or other imported brand. I like the thoughts of a Winston-MS, for I’ve tended to like Winston Single Handed Rods for their feel. However, I’m not willing to spend the $ on one at this point in my life. I know that an ACR would be nice; however I can get a Meiser and build it out myself for this point of my life which is a big plus. I’ve made(bamboo)and built many fiberglass and graphite rods and have the materials on hand to build the rod. 4pc rod is also a must due to travel.

Most of the trout are going to be 10” to 20” (13-15” most likely) on average, so a 5/6wt SH power should be ok most of the time. I only randomly get into hogs, they are the exception (lake run trout 24”+ and up to 5/10 lbs) every couple of years. Rivers are 50 to 100ft max, mostly in the 35 to 50ft range for water that is truly deep enough to hold fish well. I guess I could jump up to a SH7wt power do to wind, but I only need to cast 70ft part of the time, 50ft is the on average max, and most in the 40/50ft for the swing. Rod will be used mostly for trout in MT/WY and sometimes CO, perhaps a random trip to ID/OR/WA. I tend to like longer rods and think I will use scandi primarily or a modified Scani/Skagit type head for general use, for most flies will be size 8 and smaller wet flies and soft hackles, and a few size 6 wooly buggers.

If you have experience with this rod, or the slightly bigger S2H11735C-4 I’d like to hear about it and the lines you are using, etc.

Thanks in advance,

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I built this rod from Bob's blank 2 years ago and it is my favorite rod for trout. Works well both from wading and boat casting. I built it as a true spey rod with a longer bottom grip than the usual switch rod. This aligns the fulcrum point for comfortable two hand casting with bottom hand dominant casting. It also casts two handed overhead with ease and distance. It handles trout to 20+" without problems as long as the butt section is utilized by positioning the rod more horizontally. I've used the SGS scandi line that I ordered from Steve with the blank and it matches well. I use weighted poly leaders which it casts well. I haven't tried a skagit line on it but it would be helpful for throwing larger streamers. I highly recommend this blank.
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I have the 4/5 Highlander Classic in the 11'7. I love this rod. I've used it for swinging for smallmouth on the local water, trout in the west and AK. Also steelhead on the smaller local tribs. I have a 10'6 Meiser in the same grain window, and while it's a sweet rod, I've found I prefer the longer length.

I use it as a spey almost exclusively. Almost because in AK I broke the only sh hand rod I took on the first fish I hooked on it, and moused with the Meis the rest of the trip. Some mousing is better done sh casting. 11'7 is long for that, but it worked. But swinging sculpins, it was spectacular.

Biggest fish I've landed on it was a 6 or 7 lb steelhead- no problem. But it's still fun with 15 inch fish.

I primarily fish the Scandi the Steve Godshall built for it and also use one of his skandits. It throws good sized tips with a 300 grain skagit head as well.

If I had unlimited budget, I'd have the one you're looking at too.
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I built the 11' 4/5 and love it. I use mine primarily on the Deschutes.Excellent for the salmon fly hatch. That rod should be able to handle the occasional 22"+ fish. Have fun.

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I have a heavier 117 (5/6/7) and it would be too much for your application.

But then I have the new 111 (4/5) and with Steve Godshall's line it rocks. There is not a damn thing that I can't do with that rod. The small fish are fun and it's been landing silvers (coho) in the river. It's so light and fun. It has a 3 5/8 Perfect on it.

May I suggest you give Bob a call. Then the next call should be to Steve, or tell Bob to hand him the phone.

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I can't speak to those Meiser's specifically, but maybe I can help regarding general line weight for trout. I have an ACR 1174 and also an ACR 1255. They are both great rods, at least they fit my stroke very nicely and I mostly fish scandi lines. The 1174 is fine for trout in the range you describe. The 1255 will handle bigger flies with greater ease, of course. However, the 1255 is just too much rod for trout under ~20", at least in my opinion. I had cast the ACR 1173 before I got the 1174, but thought it was just too light to really feel the rod load and I couldn't warm up to it; however, now that I've been casting the 1174 for over a year I bet I'd feel more comfortable casting the 1173 now than I did when I test cast it.

So all said, I would definitely go with a 4 weight-centric rod for your application. Something that can cast scandi lines in the 250 to 280gr range.

BTW, the TFO 11 ft 4wt is a nice enough casting stick for the $, but even though it is a 4 wt it is too much rod for your average trout, again my opinion only.

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You start your thread with a decree against imported blanks but you may not realize that Meiser blanks are all turned off-shore to his specs.
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You start your thread with a decree against imported blanks but you may not realize that Meiser blanks are all turned off-shore to his specs.
Japan and New Zealand. Both Known for precision, accuracy and quality. All that any Meiser stick has. I think the OP was geared towards he did not want to compromise. He is looking at the right builder to build a rod.

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I had cast the ACR 1173 before I got the 1174, but thought it was just too light to really feel the rod load and I couldn't warm up to it; however, now that I've been casting the 1174 for over a year I bet I'd feel more comfortable casting the 1173 now than I did when I test cast it.

So all said, I would definitely go with a 4 weight-centric rod for your application. Something that can cast scandi lines in the 250 to 280gr range.
I'm with you, I have both the 1173 and 1174 ACR. Both great trouters but I lean more on the 1173 for feel and finesse with a 270ish scandi.
The 1174 comes into action when a tad more uumph is desired. Either way they're both quite nice.
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Thanks for everyone’s comments so far. When I say no imports, I guess it does come across as despairing toward them, but that not’s totally what I intended.

I guess I should say that I don’t want a rod that has been finished out in China. I do not want to pay for the finish out level that comes along with these rods. With the price some of these import rods go for, you are not far from the price of some of the US builder’s base models for finished rods. I tend to be a bit picky if I’m going to pay someone else to finish out a rod for me and I’m really looking at a limited set of suppliers that can provide a true micro trout-spey taper in the 250-300 grain size at 11’ to 11.5’ in length.

I have no issues with blanks that are made in New Zealand (CTS) for they are excellent quality, Japanese makers are excellent and the South Korean factory that makes all of TFO’s stuff does a great job. Their engineer really does a great job and is a nice guy. The TFO 11’ 4wt is a bit too strong for what I’m looking for, I would think of it more as a light 5wt and I think that the 12’6” 4/5 Deer Creek is just too long for me and the waters I fish for a 3/4wt class rod.

I’m inclined to want to build out the rod myself, thus the original question about the 11 and 11’7” 3/4wts from Bob. I’ve got the really small stuff covered with a 10’ 200-230 grain rod and have the 5wt with a 12+ 5wt, thus wanting to find something in the 11-11.5ft 280grain range for most of my normal trout waters. I may still just order a completed rod, just trying to figure this out.

I really do appreciate everyone’s help and comments.

Please keep them coming and thanks,

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I built an 117345 last summer. Really enjoy this rod in lightness, length and how much I can huck a 390 skagit switch with 10' t-10.

Kinda has an interest in getting a Meiser (as I had sold all my gear to make ends meet some time ago), then I seen that the price points for a builder kit was in my ball park. So I got one (actually got an MKS builder kit too ).

My intended fish I think would be the common 24" and up towards 28"+.

I REALLY like the 11'7" length. I wish I had gotten the 117678 instead of the 12'6" 6/7 MKS. Just a preference thing.
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