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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 04-15-2013, 01:54 PM Thread Starter
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Good news from the St Jean (Gaspe)

The 1.6 KM long log pile on the John is to be FINALLY demolished next winter at a cost of 1.1 million $ Cdn !!
Operation is to be conducted during winter months and a road made on the ice for trucks to maneuver .
Log jam contains an estimated 60,000 Cubic meters of wood which will take 1620 truck loads to haul out .
The fools, however , are thinking of burning the wood over a 2 to 3 month period !! Idiots, they could sell it and ship it out by the nearby port and make some money , but no this IS Quebec !!

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Brian - have they actually secured the funding for this? I've been hearing the same plan from the ZEC for the past couple of years, and the major obstacle was actually raising the $. Last summer I was hearing that it was going to be done this past winter for sure (which didn't happen due to lack of $). If they do finally have the money, this is wonderful news.

For those who haven't seen this, jam, it is huge. In Google Earth, at the mouth of the river you can see a filled in former channel (at the top), and at the bottom of the image, just north of the roadway, the current main channel that the salmon have to get up through - about a mile or more of tightly wedged wood debris.

There can be no question that the log jam is inhibiting fresh salmon from migrating into the river from the estuary and kelts from making it back out to sea after having spawned the previous fall.

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They're waiting for "final" approval from the Qc. Gov't but $$$$$ talks and there's a S##T load of Salmon fishing $$$$$$ missing for this year on the 3 Gaspe rivers!! There's a lot of VERY familiar names you won't see in the books at the ZEC this spring ! The log jam on the John was one of the contributing reasons .

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Does anyone know who cut the logs and left them there?

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Does anyone know who cut the logs and left them there?
Logs weren't cut .They're from trees that fell due to eroded banks .

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The complete ineptitude of the Gaspe ZEC is the main reason that unless things change dramatically, I probably won't be fishing there in future seasons. I'm going this year mostly because my buddy, who is a relative novice, really wanted to return.

My biggest beef is the failure to close the York to killing fish until the 2nd week of September when so many sick and dying fish were in the river right from the end of May. That was inexcusable.
The situation with the St Jean is also pretty messed up although the root cause is out of the ZECs control. Those logs have been accumulating for a very long time. That erosion couldn't have anything to do with all of the development along the lower part of the river could it?
I know that there are a small number of really good and caring people working inside the ZEC to try to change it for the better, but there is such resistance to change in that organization.
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IMHO I don't think the ZEC is inept despite the decision to remain Catch and cook .I still believe they're doing a decent job . I believe you and I were the only ones that reported sighting Saprolegnia on fish in the York . Too many including ASF and FQSA Rep's turned a blind eye to that problem and didn't utter a word. That decision OnC&R and/or Catch an' kill will soon be out of the ZEC's hands anyway .
The York goes C&R anyway in mid Sept. due to the Salmon fishing reg's
I think the erosion along the John is more due to natural causes as it's evident even on wild stretches .The York and others suffer the same but the wood manages to get washed out to sea .I've witnessed 3 trees falling including one huge one at Cuve and they were all on the wild (not the road side) of the river .
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Here's an example of just what can be done here in Quebec by cutting through the BS .
From Quebec's North Shore ,a before and an after pic .Despite the fact that the fishing will be TOTALLY unknown I'll be up there in early June to support this initiative .
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I'm with Salvelinus on the closing of the York. I also had a few issues with a couple of people at the zec who seemed to turn a blind eye to the problem in the peak of the season when most tourist are in the area. looked to me that they didn't want the issue to be in the spotlight, fearing the consequences.
Brian, i too informed them on sighting Saprolegnia in the York & on one fish in the St.Jean. They told me they were aware of the situation, but didn't want to elaborate any further. I guess it was because of all the fishermen who were there at the time waiting for the draw results.
Hope this survey brings some sort of change, not like past biased surveys which were only aimed at a certain demographic.
I encourage all, especially non residents, to participate in the survey.

Brian, we will be fishing on a couple of sweet pools above the falls this June!!!!
Some that probably have not been fished in a helluva long time!!!!
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I'm with Salvelinus on the closing of the York. I also had a few issues with a couple of people at the zec who seemed to turn a blind eye to the problem in the peak of the season when most tourist are in the area. looked to me that they didn't want the issue to be in the spotlight, fearing the consequences.
Brian, i too informed them on sighting Saprolegnia in the York & on one fish in the St.Jean. They told me they were aware of the situation, but didn't want to elaborate any further. I guess it was because of all the fishermen who were there at the time waiting for the draw results.
Hope this survey brings some sort of change, not like past biased surveys which were only aimed at a certain demographic.
I encourage all, especially non residents, to participate in the survey.

Brian, we will be fishing on a couple of sweet pools above the falls this June!!!!
Some that probably have not been fished in a helluva long time!!!!
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108 years to be exact .There's been a dam there since 1905 .It'll be very humbling and a privilege to be amongst the very 1st to fish to fish those 2 "new' pools since then . It will be interesting to witness how the fish will hold in this section !! If the season on the York starts out well, I'll be taking 3 not 2 ferry trips across the St. Lawrence in June !!
The past survey wasn't really biased towards a any demographic group .It was just biased in its selective use of the answers . It DID negate any massive increase in non resident dues ! There was a LOT of resistance to have a new survey because that one was so recent and any new one would be a waste of money .

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Brian - the sapro infections were not a new thing. Several previous years on the St Jean and then in 2011 on the York the infections began. It's not like it came out of nowhere and caught them unaware. I think it was pure "ostriching" - putting their head in the sand and pretending it wasn't there. Everyone I spoke to on the river and in town was well aware of the issue - the sick fish were so visible in the low water. Heck, I heard that dead salmon washed up on the shore by the ZEC. My opinion is that that the ZEC just didn't want to peeve off the clients who book the end of June and in July to come kill salmon. The short term thinking of that money was put ahead of the long term health of the river and salmon population.


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IMHO I don't think the ZEC is inept despite the decision to remain Catch and cook .I still believe they're doing a decent job . I believe you and I were the only ones that reported sighting Saprolegnia on fish in the York . Too many including ASF and FQSA Rep's turned a blind eye to that problem and didn't utter a word. That decision OnC&R and/or Catch an' kill will soon be out of the ZEC's hands anyway .
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