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Lake Ontario Tribs in late June

I will be back east during the last 2 weeks in June and was wondering if there are any opportunities to fish for anadromous salmonids in the Ontario and Erie tribs at that time.

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For Canadian side tribs the 'steelhead' fishing is pretty much done by then as they've, hopefully, all dropped back by then to the ocean...oh I mean lake.
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On the south shores they are done! Carp will be the main prey along with smallies, gar, and other rough fish! If you want swing flys for rough fish give me a PM and I will be happy to help you out!

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Bass season opens June 25

If you're looking to swing for salmonids then head north, the Soo always has something.
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If you are in NY on June 25 there is a nice clave on the Salmon River(see: Speynation IV in the Claves/Gathering section). There may well be something to fish for in the Salmon around that time frame...
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I was about to mention the SpeyNation speyclave also. It is during that general time frame and it might be possible to find an Atlantic Salmon or two in the Salmon river at that time! The clave is held on that river and the date has been published on this site under claves and other gatherings. You might shoot for about a week before the actual clave which would allow you to avoid crowds and could provide you with some good fishng.
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Thanks for the info

I checked out the SpeyNation thread. It sounds like a really good time. I will definitely try and make it up there to check out the clave.

That's really cool what you guys are doing to help restore the Atlantic salmon. Back in the 80's I worked on the American Shad restoration project for the Susquehana. Have the Atlantic salmon been returning in significant numbers? It would be great to see wild salmon back in their native habitat again.

Is fishing for them a realistic possibility?

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Yes, it is becoming a realistic possibility. While I would'nt characterize it as a fully established run yet, it is beginning to show some promise and more fish are being caught every year(for the past few years). I'm guessing that, perhaps, a few dozen are caught during this period but am not entirely sure about the numbers. I've not yet been able to hook up with an adult fish, myself, but, then, I don't get in the river time that I'd like to either. I have caught loads of smolts though-so the fish are in the river and should be returning when they mature. There have been some nice adult fish caught out in the lake(unfortunately, not released)as well-so we know that they'll be going someplace when that time of the year comes round. They may be running up some of the other lake tribs as well. As far as I've heard, most, if not all, of the adult fish caught in the river have been released. We obviously can't encourage this enough!
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So people can catch and keep the Atlantic salmon? That doesn't seem right.
Are these fish wild or are they stocked?
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I would have to say that they are the progeny of stocked strains. I don't think that it's known for sure just what or whose stockings these fish originated from because NY DEC has been stocking them in the lake for a number of years now but, when queried regarding these stockings, have always told me that they hav'nt found a strain that has done very well in the lake. Suddenly(almost) about 3 years ago, I'd guess, we began to see a few returning fish in the Salmon R and more have been showing up every year. I suspect that these "successful" fish may have originated with some of the stockings done by the province of Ontario and that, among those stockings was a strain that acclimated well to the lake and it's tribs and that these fish are, perhaps, spawning successfully to some extent. The smolts that I have caught in the spring for the past 4 or 5 years(approximately) are probably some that the state has stocked as smolts since I doubt that the holdover fish have been that successful in their spawning efforts. I think that one of the adults(probably not from these smolts) was caught last summer in the lake and weighed around 25lbs (before it was killed). It is a shame that they are allowed to kill these fish but the charter industry has a very strong lobby here in NY and, so far, the tributary anglers have been unable to get this practise stopped. It's certainly counterproductive to say the least!!
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Interesting, so some of the fish are successfully spawning? I wonder if anyone is studying how many tribs they are returning to now and how frequently the fish are spawning successfully.

It would be really great if Atlantic salmon could become reestablished in Lake Ontario.

So the state of NY stocks hatchery Atlantic salmon? Do they have a plan to reestablish them or is the stocking just to create a "put and take fishery".
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I believe the goal is reproduction

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=2289

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Here's the efforts being done in Ontario. It's been funded heavily by an Australian wine company - Banrock.

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/en/Business...02_165905.html and
http://www.bringbackthesalmon.ca/

The 3 rivers undergoing stocking are the Credit, Duffins and Cobourg.

Some small, but positive, results from the Credit as they actively lift migrating fish over a dam so they can actually count fish. I believe the runs the past couple of years were a little less than 100 fish.

It's a much debated topic here as a lot of resources are going into this whereas some believe the time and money can be spent on other more reliable projects.
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much debated

... I agree Preston, a much debated issue - those Atlantic Salmon in Lake Ontario. I'm struggling with it myself too. When I think positively about it I think of how the attempted re establishment will draw focus to the river habitat and lake habitat which should benefit all species including Steelhead I hope.
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Thanks for the web links. Lots of really good information. This sounds like a very interesting project.

The improvement of in-stream and riparian habitat has been demonstrated to have a positive effect on both diversity and abundance of aquatic life....primarily the aquatic insects. This result can only benefit juvenile migratory salmonids like salmon and steelhead. It's also ironic how the invasive zebra mussel has resulted in improved water quality in the Great Lakes although I'm sure there are some deleterious effects.

You all have a unique situation on Lake Ontario. It has become home to many salmonid species that are threatened and endangered in there native habitat.

I hope you guys succeed with the Atlantic salmon too.

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