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post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old 03-10-2011, 09:09 AM Thread Starter
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QWS for Skeena pushed back

If this has already been posted here somewhere my applolgies.

The BC government has decided not to implement any of the reccomendations derived from the QWS consultation process untill 2013 at the earliest.

They have decided further study is needed to determine the potential social and economic impacts of QWS implementation.

It looks like the free for all will continue for a couple more years at least.

I imagine NRA's will be pleased with this, what do folks from BC think about the delay?
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Here is one of the official government releases:

INFORMATION BULLETIN
2011NRO0004-000199
March 7, 2011
Ministry of Natural Resource Operations


NO CHANGES TO SKEENA STEELHEAD REGULATIONS

SMITHERS – The Province has opted to maintain the current regulations in the Skeena River Steelhead Fishery for 2011-13 pending the outcome of a tourism and economic impacts study.

Since 2007, the Province has consulted with stakeholders under the Skeena Quality Waters Strategy. By consulting with resident anglers, guides, First Nations, local community and business leaders and non-resident anglers, the Province has developed a thorough understanding of stakeholder concerns around the steelhead fishery.

What remains to be investigated is the economic and tourism impacts of any possible regulation change. That is why the Province is conducting a study of those impacts to inform the next set of regulation changes for the 2013-15 angling seasons.

For more information on recommendations for angling management plans, visit: http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/skeena/qws/

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250 356-5621


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Qws

I saw the message monday on Twitter.
On tuesday I booked 2 tickets to Smithers!

My best memories are not too old!!
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i was able to go to Smithers for the first time this last fall. Fishing Mainly the Bulkley and Morice rivers.. With the exception of one day floating from Telkwa to Smithers i have to say, the rivers were deserted i cannot imagine how anyone could consider them remotely crowded or think that there is any reason to "manage" anglers.

maybe things were different earlier in the season.

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It's effin ridiculous that they would spend so much time and effort not to mention MONEY on this process and then just de-rail it with no results 1 month before implementation. So stupid. Should have spent all that money on enforcement and habitat restoration, at least that would have given some results.

I have to wonder if someone isn't being paid off.
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Complete waste of tax payer money! Kinda like the Canadian gun laws.
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whoohoo. cant wait to set up yankee camp on the banks august-november. maybe ill have a few friends come up weekly and give me beer money to fish the holes ive cherry picked for them.


just kidding. but in all honesty i will continue to book my 10 day DIY trip and be thankful i can fish the copper on weekends and without a guide. im diy yourself not because i wish to be. just expensive to even fly there now a days from the east coast usa. id rather put my limited dollars into another meiser or a guides hands, just that jet fuel prices artificially increased from libya BS. oil companies are like insurance companies, always managing a huge profit margin no matter consumer plight/circumstance.

my tourism will continue as long as im not kicked off the water for 25% of my vacation time, then the travel cost may not justify the trip. i hope the government appreciates how my US dollars help the northern bar halibut bites
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Should have spent all that money on enforcement and habitat restoration, at least that would have given some results.
Now that makes a lot of sense to me.
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How very

....very strange!

No Changes?

Actually not too surprising in retrospect as the the entire Process was basically hijacked by self-interested people.

And the Governing authorities saw this and decided that Economics trumped ALL concerns and issues.

As Peter says what a terrible waste of $$$, effort and I will add, good will.
I have heard that old local friendships were destroyed by the bickering and strident voices.

IMAGINE if this money that was spent on this Political Process was used instead to "buy-out" the Nets at the mouth!

One can hope and realistically so, that NOW a group of local people from Houston/Smithers to Terrace to Rupert will FINALLY join agendas and begin a long term process of SAVING the Stocks!
The Nets must go.
ALL else is secondary and will flow from that success.
It can be done.

And do not forget, The USA should be taken to Court for intercepting the stocks that should be in the Skeena!

Of course habitat will follow right behind and then the Local Communities can start to Shepherd and Steward the entire fishery ---once they see an increase in the Kill Fishery of the Salmon they will be incentivized to continue safeguarding the Steelhead .

Simply look to the ZEC's in Quebec and garner ideas to implement in the Skeena.

I am certain $$$ will come in bunches IF the Goal is to get rid of the Nets and Protect the Stocks.
There is big money traveling all over the World to fish for anadromous fish and this is a World Classs fishery.
Get some of it .....................

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Yeah you nailed it Your measly $2000 economic influx is gonna keep smithers running for the 11 other months of the year

The ministry in region 6 is very 'pro guide outfitter' ....it's got nothing to do with your gas money.

The nets must go? Do you want salmon farms then? Must be what you're asking for? There's a demand to be met for salmon as food.....I thought everyone wanted to eat wild salmon? That means nets. So you must want aquaculture? I'm confused. Are you against the FN nets too? Uh oh...

'Self interested people' ... yeah ... people who believe in resident priority and not selling off our resources to the highest bidder.
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Yeah you nailed it Your measly $2000 economic influx is gonna keep smithers running for the 11 other months of the year

The ministry in region 6 is very 'pro guide outfitter' ....it's got nothing to do with your gas money.

The nets must go? Do you want salmon farms then? Must be what you're asking for? There's a demand to be met for salmon as food.....I thought everyone wanted to eat wild salmon? That means nets. So you must want aquaculture? I'm confused. Are you against the FN nets too? Uh oh...

'Self interested people' ... yeah ... people who believe in resident priority and not selling off our resources to the highest bidder.
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"Self-interested people" = GUIDES

Anyone can see what this QWS degraded into or rather arose from.
Had very little to do in the beginning or the end about the Fishery
And sure as heck, as we see, had very little to do with Resident Priority
These Governing types do not have a special care for Locals

My gas $$?...never said anything about me or that or aliens or any such.
I am of NO consequence in these things.
The BC Government ignored you folks like most Governments do.
You have all the Power and when you figure that out you can make real changes that benefit you and the wealth of the area you live in
Until then anger is appropriate.

I tried to say that in the end ALL Politics revolves around economic issues.
And rest assured that 14% Hotel Tax instituted to pay for the Olympics Boondoggle .....well think about it a bit maybe.

Nets?
Yup get rid of them before it is too late.
Once the fish are reduced you will have the Rivers all to yourself---with very few fish---great fun, all alone with no fish.

The USA is full of beautiful rivers with NO Steelhead!
We know.......

Fish Farms?
Please.
Farms are the result of the loss of stocks, too may damn humans and some fools idea on how to make $$$.
Idiocy.
Most people do not even realize that the Salmon they buy in the stores are NOT wild (and most cannot afford $30 per pound for Wild, anyway); they have no idea what a Fish Farm is.

FN Nets?
Those do not impact the stocks.

All I said is that this was a waste and there are real things that can be done OUTSIDE of a Goverment that is clueless and really does not want to "do" anything different.

I am quite certain not much will change.

Get this and see a preview of your Future:

http://www.riversofalostcoast.com/

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Complete waste of tax payer money! Kinda like the Canadian gun laws.
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Peter , i'd say your 100% correct , i heard that it cost about a million bucks already , money that like Greg says , could of bought up a few nets like they do with the atlantic salmon

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Self interested people' ... yeah ... people who believe in resident priority and not selling off our resources to the highest bidder.

do you still have it in your head that you OWN the fish , '''our resources '' you OWN nothing but your rod and reel , the Fish belong to everyone ,

if you want it to yourself , then buy a piece of land with the rights to the pool , and if that ever happens on them rivers , like most atlantic salmon rivers , i can't really see someone like you ever having the money to afford it

again it is always the same from you , it's not about the fish , it always about you hating anyone that goes fishing for them in your so called rivers , please please just take a step back PGK and put aside your feelings about others not from your area that come to fish , everyone loves the fish , everyone i'm sure only wants whats best to keep it so in 30 years it is better then it is now


and if you think that $2000 that greg spends don't matter, well i'd first say that it's more like double that amount with him as he spends lots of time there ,

and then add in the amount for 1000's that don't go or show , if it was your way of having it all to yourself , take a min and call some hotels and ask them how solid they booked up in the fall , ask if they would mind being empty , no one can tell me that the whole area is not bringing in extra money from everyone showing up to fish for YOUR fish

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It's gone, never to be seen again. Why bother arguing about it?
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It's gone, never to be seen again. Why bother arguing about it?
Do you really think it will fade away to nothing, I hope after the economic study is completed some form of QWS is implemented.

Even if it just means making access for NRA's comparable to what it would be for an Atlantic salmon trip in Quebec.
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Sure, the guides were in it neck deep. And by and large, the amp was shafting them (about time). Why do you think it got canned? The ministry is in bed with the outfitters. The other side of the coin were the resident anglers, and we just got the shaft (again) by the ministry.

Sorry alberta (and everyone else), they aren't your fish. They're BC fish, and priority should always be given to BC anglers in that respect. Just because your fish laws are the same for everyone doesn't mean your system works best. Alberta's turned the Bow into a zoo because they aren't willing to manage their quality waters. You're one of the biggest noisemakers about the issue....but you turn around and want BC de-regulated? Sorry, not buying. You should have to pay to play and you should have to wait for your turn. I'm plenty friendly to everyone I meet on the river, but if someone feels they are 'entitled' to fish BC waters, I've got news for you.

Supply must equal demand. Got to have dead fish in supermarkets. Where you *feel* they should come from is one thing. What the sound management strategy dictates is usually another completely. I definitely do not support aquaculture in the skeena watershed but if you're going to cut the commercial harvest of wild fish, you're cutting supply and you need to make it up somewhere else. I didn't see anyone on any forum talking about recomendations for SUSTAINABLE aquaculture when the DFO comment period on aquaculture reform was open. Face it, we need fish farms. You can't condemn commercial net fisheries and fish farms without abandoning logic. 'No such thing as a free lunch' comes to mind.

The AMP was a good start. Scrapping it has probably negatively affected my time spent in the skeena this fall, and the associated loss of HCTF funds as a result of my recently acquired NRC status. But really, the root cause of all this is the ministry. The BC gov't has completely abandoned all notion of environmental management.

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Do you really think it will fade away to nothing, I hope after the economic study is completed some form of QWS is implemented.

Even if it just means making access for NRA's comparable to what it would be for an Atlantic salmon trip in Quebec.
I think you're right and it will come back, but we need to boot this government out first!

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Now someone go ahead and point out the inconsistencies between my use of 'we' and 'resident' and the fact I'm in the NWT blah blah blah
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