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Frontier Steelhead Experience Shout-Out!

Just got back from a week on the Bulkley and the Morice with Derek Botchford and the gang at Frontier. The numbers in the Skeena system are way down this year, but the guides at Frontier found fish for us every day, the chefs tried to kill us with amazing food, and the whole staff was gracious, helpful, and very good at what they do. On the last morning, this 37-incher down in the Bulkley Canyon gave me a very determined tussle. What a beautiful, strong, wild fish! These big guys are everything they are said to be! I hope to go back, and whether or not I do, hope that these runs can be preserved.
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I'm glad you enjoyed your trip with Frontier. Not to hijack the thread, but as a resident of the Bulkley Valley, I much more negative view of this group of guides.
They built a camp to drop off anglers on unguided rivers for which they have no rod days, and the head guide on the upper morice is a bully who think he's owns the river. They are very greedy when it comes to finding new water and are practiced in excluding those who do not use guides.
They should be working to involve FN in their business, as BC has committed to reconciliation and they operate in areas with high strength of claim.
Their involvement in the local community is limited at best and very few residents of the valley consider the guiding industry an employer or care for its longevity. Frontier is quickly losing their social license to operate as a guide outfitter.
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I'm glad you enjoyed your trip with Frontier. Not to hijack the thread, but as a resident of the Bulkley Valley, I much more negative view of this group of guides.
They built a camp to drop off anglers on unguided rivers for which they have no rod days, and the head guide on the upper morice is a bully who think he's owns the river. They are very greedy when it comes to finding new water and are practiced in excluding those who do not use guides.
They should be working to involve FN in their business, as BC has committed to reconciliation and they operate in areas with high strength of claim.
Their involvement in the local community is limited at best and very few residents of the valley consider the guiding industry an employer or care for its longevity. Frontier is quickly losing their social license to operate as a guide outfitter.
Well that's a hatchet job if I've ever seen one, full of half-truth and flat out BS. I spend a decade working with this bunch on multiple systems, including the Bulkley/Morice and others. The Camp mentioned wasn't built for this purpose at all, and if the poster had a clue he would know that FN relationships have existed almost since the outset of this company, and others were pursued with relation to the Pipeline proposal that would run right past the front door of the Morice lodge, yet the FN involved were not even aware the lodge had even existed. (in its location for 40 years) I know because I was there...

Community building events have been held for both residents and non-residents alike...the July first event, Smithers tourism events etc, etc...what a load of BS comment.

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I'm glad you enjoyed your trip with Frontier. Not to hijack the thread, but as a resident of the Bulkley Valley, I much more negative view of this group of guides.
They built a camp to drop off anglers on unguided rivers for which they have no rod days, and the head guide on the upper morice is a bully who think he's owns the river. They are very greedy when it comes to finding new water and are practiced in excluding those who do not use guides.
They should be working to involve FN in their business, as BC has committed to reconciliation and they operate in areas with high strength of claim.
Their involvement in the local community is limited at best and very few residents of the valley consider the guiding industry an employer or care for its longevity. Frontier is quickly losing their social license to operate as a guide outfitter.
Having spent a lot of time in the area in the fall for the last 7 years(mostly floating telkwa to smithers), I've got to say Frontier FawWest is a pretty decent group of guides when it comes to respecting other anglers. I've run into other lodges and guides and FFW never races to the next run when they see you rounding the corner, they don't pull in with the jetsleds just as your drifting through the riffles of a new run, they fish with pace(no fence posting).

I heard the Mo lodge had a not so courteous head guide a few years ago but last year I only ran into respectful guides when floating and fishing around their lodge.
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The 'hatchet job' was pointed and purposeful, but we digress.

Outerhebrides, that is a beautiful fish. Good to hear a decent report from the Skeena considering the other thread dedicated to the lack luster run this year. Congrats on the good week.
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One man's junk is another man's gold. As actions can be perceived as fair by some and malicious by others ... funny world we live in.

Moving forward, points taken from both sides will remain, however the mud slinging will stop.
Respect must be given to the originator of this thread and his experience that he shared with the rest of this forum.

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Thanks for the good words, and the congratulations. I will always remember the beautiful canyon, the cast, and the battle. I am not nearly as experienced as many of you, but I have learned so much on this site. Thanks for the encouragement to keep it level. I understand that in a time of a fishery in some degree of peril, and also increasingly popular, that everyone will be tempted to get a little western. Hopefully we can all come together on our respect and affection for these great fish. I, for one, am joining the Native Fish Society today, and will do what very small bit that I can. Tight lines.
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What a great fish and a great experience! Thanks for sharing them with us.

When I was a much younger lad, I had all sorts of exotic angling items on my bucket list - Mongolian Taimen, Russian Atlantic salmon, Argentine sea trout, a tarpon on the flats. I'm old enough now to know that nearly all of those will never happen. A big BC steelhead, however, is still on the list. If I can do what you have done here - just once before I die - I will die a happy, happy man.
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If you are anti-hatchery fish, then by all means join NFS. If you are open-minded about hatchery fish, I would submit that you would be better off supporting some other NGO.
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Yeah, I completely get that. I actually had that thought when my excellent guide Joel netted the fish. "My fishing life is complete" You can do it! No one can control the size of the steelhead that grabs the fly, and BC has the most of them. Get up there and chuck it out there, cover the water, and be prepared!

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They are pretty much death on the hatchery fish, true. I realize people have many opinions on this subject, and I know very little. Thank you for the counsel.

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Beautiful fish! I didn't make it up there this year and despite the poor reports I'm kicking myself for that. Such a magical place.

NFS does a lot more than just fight hatchery plants.They can help you get involved in a variety of ways that is much more rewarding than just cutting a check. Good on ya for wanting to give back.
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Thanks for the good words, and the congratulations. I will always remember the beautiful canyon, the cast, and the battle. I am not nearly as experienced as many of you, but I have learned so much on this site. Thanks for the encouragement to keep it level. I understand that in a time of a fishery in some degree of peril, and also increasingly popular, that everyone will be tempted to get a little western. Hopefully we can all come together on our respect and affection for these great fish. I, for one, am joining the Native Fish Society today, and will do what very small bit that I can. Tight lines.
Since you were enjoying the Skeena, maybe put the money (or additionally) directly into the resource and join the Steelhead Society of BC, Northern Chapter?
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Link to BC Steelhead Society, Northern Branch, then click membership :

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Thanks! I will check that out. Thanks for the heads up.

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