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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 01-22-2019, 03:10 PM Thread Starter
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In Case You Didn't Know;

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but...Ö...

The department of fish & game has officially closed all fishing for king salmon in parts of South Central AK. this year. Places I am sure about are the entire Susitna Drainage and all neighboring rivers and creeks throughout the Matanuska Susitna region. I expect there to be closures on the Kenai Peninsula as well.

Visit the AK. Fish & Game website and find your way to Emergency Orders and Announcements to find more. My level of awareness is limited to my own area.

If you read this Mike, then you know you did good last year

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This seems to be the trend up and down the west coast for one species or another. This is not a good sign.

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This seems to be the trend up and down the west coast for one species or another. This is not a good sign.

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The question is why
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For starters the open ocean fishery of Chinook needs to stop so the fish can grow to be adults. The deep water bottom trawlers need to be shut down completely, and ALL forage fish harvest must stop. Stop dumping milloins of hatchery pinks and chum from AK, USSR and Japan, stop all illegal international harvest. Then there might be some turn around if the ocean conditions improve.

The good news is maybe AK will see what we have been dealing with for decades and will stop harvesting BC, WA and OR fish. Maybe.
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one thing people are failing to realise is there's 6 billion people.
these people have to eat.

and your resources are for sale... because you have 340 million people to feed.

maths don't lie.

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There's more like 7.5 billion people (probably more like 8 but the numbers haven't been updated).
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that's depressing.
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I would have to respectfully disagree.

Summing this up to people have to eat is IMO a poor argument.

There are sustainable methods of harvesting massive quantities of food. Restructuring communities, Bringing back small farms. Permaculture, the list goes on.

Have you ever looked at how much food is thrown away the numbers are staggering!?

It is not the oligarchs priority to feed people it is their priority to rape and pillage and take as much as they can for themselves at whatever the cost to the planet or the people on it.

The mentality has to change. It is a priority issue.

Personally I would much rather see our military resources going to guard the oceans from unregulated foreign commercial fishing fleets than sticking our people in the foreign wars.

I think riffle hitch nailed it for the fisheries.

I also think we must go to strict line caught fisheries.
How much salmon and steelhead are killed as the result of bycatch annually.
Global annual bycatch estimates are unreal.

We have the technology to feed everyone, don't believe the hype.

Time and time again it is shown if you leave Mother Nature alone she has an amazing capacity for healing and recovery.
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with returned respect... people aren't lining their gardens with farmed fish, mate.

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The US only has jurisdiction over its territorial waters. Our deep water navy -- carrier groups and subs -- can hardly be used to enforce fishing regs there. Congress wouldpull the plug on funding in a heart beat. The idea is a non starter.

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The US only has jurisdiction over its territorial waters. Our deep water navy -- carrier groups and subs -- can hardly be used to enforce fishing regs there. Congress wouldpull the plug on funding in a heart beat. The idea is a non starter.

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Actually the US coast guard does patrol the international waters for illegal fishing, it's just a damn big ocean.
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I'm not a scientist nor am I a statistician, the opinion I wrote was my effort to describe what I see and what I think I know. In the particular case of the dwindling stocks of South Central I've noticed a trend that I attempted to outline. It's a rather long read but I tried to be as thorough as I could.

I haven't edited the writing since it was first published and should mention that there have been further developments since I wrote the copy. In short, it ain't all commercial fishing.
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This seems to be the trend up and down the west coast for one species or another. This is not a good sign.

Dan
This is a good sign. It means measures are being taken to protect endangered fish.
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The U.S territorial sea is only 12 nautical miles. But the U.S. Exclusive Economic Zone extends 200 miles seaward, where it has the right to manage and control marine affairs and resources, such as fishing, mineral extraction and oil drilling. The U.S. EEZ is the largest in the world, spanning over 13,000 miles of coastline and containing 3.4 million square nautical miles of oceanólarger than the combined land area of all fifty states.
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Are the natives regulating their harvest as well? They are the keepers of the land, are they truly concerned about conservation?, I am a native, tough to see whitey standing on the shore while my people fill their freezers. Conservation? Hardly!
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