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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 04-14-2008, 05:50 PM Thread Starter
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Just back east and headed to SR New york next weekend. I have done well there in the fall, but my only previous spring trip resulted in a skunk. Was wondering if stratagies change at all for this time of year. Water is coming down from flood stage at the moment.
Also wondering if the DSR is worth fishing this time of year when fresh fish are done entering the river.
Any spey-pagers fishing it this weekend ?

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The river is currently high but is on the drop. But it's falling real slow.

Here's a link to the guage at Pineville and the flowcast for the dam release schedule:

http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv?04250200
http://www.h2oline.com/365123.asp

I like to fish the river when it's at or below 1000 cfs on the Pineville guage but your mileage may vary.

Your fall tactics and flies will work for the spring fish but you'd do best moving around and not stick to one particular location. I hardly fish the DSR as the water that is upstream is always more productive for me.

If the SR is too high there are other creeks in the area plus along the South shore of Lake Ontario that will be holding fish. Just use a gazetteer to find them.

Hope this helps.
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Water is really cold now.

The water temp has been in the low to mid 30's recently. I have the best results once the water gets above 37 degrees and it is best at 43 degrees. There is huge run off from the snow pack on the Tug Hill Plateau which causes the water to stay colder longer. Keep your swings SLOOOW and Deep for best results.

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thanks guys

Iv'e been looking at the usgs guages. I think the temp was listed at 37 deg yesterday (on the whitakers site). Pineville flow at 1700 this morning. With no rain in the forecast, things are looking good.
Tied a few olive buggers and leeches last night with heavy eyes and beads.
There seems to be a big difference in tippet size used by NY and West coast guys. The new yorkers always swear by light stuff. They tell me to use 3x or 4x fluoro and claim the fish are leader shy. I use .012 to .015 in the west. Never used smaller than 1x in NY and that feels small to me. Any thoughts ? I just about always swing flies (never caught one on an egg).
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I always use 0 x fluorocarbon when swinging. It works for me.
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Jpeter,
I sent you a pm...no need for fluoro, go with 10lb-12lb Maxima Ultra green..I have experiemented greatly with Maxima vs. Seagur fluoro and there is virtually NO difference in number of fish hooked...the Salmon River has a very rocky and boulder strewn bottom, not kind to fluoro! At the same time, you should not be scraping the bottom while swinging flies so the only concern with fluoro would be while fighting a fish and they run your tippet along a rock or two<>you can ignore the water temp because all winter the water was 33 degrees and my fishing partner and I hammered fish on the swing all winter long. The only relation to water temp is the speed of your swing. Lower temps=sloooooww swing, follow the line with your rod..."walk the dog" if you will!. With the amount of run off, temps will still be low. Give me a call and I can pass on great info regarding flies, sinktip for various flows, as well as locations to fish. I fish the river with a two handed rod swinging flies, 1-2 times a week, all year so I should be able to point you in the right direction...don't rely on the fly shops in the area for two handed info, they have yet to embrace the concept! The river is full of fish and water so depending on the level, you should have a great time!
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Zack,

I wish I'd run into you while I was up there (March 26th - April 1st) because I could have used the help. I saw a number of DH'ers, but the only DH'ers hooking up (that I saw) were drifting eggs and nymphs. I really wanted one on the swing.

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Iv'e been looking at the usgs guages. I think the temp was listed at 37 deg yesterday (on the whitakers site). Pineville flow at 1700 this morning. With no rain in the forecast, things are looking good.
Tied a few olive buggers and leeches last night with heavy eyes and beads.
There seems to be a big difference in tippet size used by NY and West coast guys. The new yorkers always swear by light stuff. They tell me to use 3x or 4x fluoro and claim the fish are leader shy. I use .012 to .015 in the west. Never used smaller than 1x in NY and that feels small to me. Any thoughts ? I just about always swing flies (never caught one on an egg).
Those telling you to use 3x FC are probably indicator fishing. For that style it probably does work better. Use Maxima for swinging as the fish sees the fly before the tippet and visibility means next to nothing in that case. I fish the Gaspe rivers in Quebec for Atlantics and they are among the clearest rivers on the planet, and Maxima works just fine there. The only reason I usually use 10lb Maxima is so that I can get something to give way when I get hung up. I think you'd catch almost as many fish using 15lb or even 20lb. Heavier tippets do affect fly movement to some small degree, but the biggest reason to stay with 10lb or 12lb is the ability to break free when hung up.
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Another option is to use Rio Fluoroflex ( 12 lb, 0.011' or 15 lb 0.013"). It is stiffer then newer Fluorofex Plus, but marginally softer then the same diameter Maxima Chamelon and have very good abrasion resistance what you will find important on the Salmon River's rocky bottom. Also a bit stiffer tippet will allow to turnover medium/large flies easier.
With the current water conditions the fishing for steelhead returning to the lake should be good well into May. As long as water flow stays above 400-450 cfs in Painville and max. water temps ( late afternoon) are below 53-55 F the fish will hold on in the river for a longer time. Definitely absence of very warm days ( 75-80 F) in May helps to keep the fish in the river longer.

Once the temps reaches mid 40 or higher, the drop backs will get very aggressive and they need real meat after being on diet prior to spawning.

For me the ideal water flow for swinging fly is in 500-1500 cfs. ( Painville) Above 700 spreads the fish in the river, you don't have to fight with drift guys ...........and these conditions are ideal for DH rods
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line types

I have used rio Fluoroflex in the past. Have spools of 013 and 015. The stuff feels like nylon, likely not abrasion resistant as the seguar. For nylon line, I usually buy orvis superstrong when it's on sale, good stuff.
Whats the inside joke about "PAinville"?

Postponed my trip last weekend, as flows were forecast at 3600.
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I have been using 0.011, 013, 0.015 for tippets and few larger diameters for butt/middle sections of the taper leaders for quite some time.
The line have fells stiff like typical older generation fluoro, and when I tested/rubbed a small peace of the line on the wet rock it was holding relatively well compare to Maxima Chamelon.
Any chance you have used softer Fluoroflex Plus or they mixed up Floroflex and Powerflex in the factory?
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Yes, I have fluoroflex plus. yet to do a knot strength test on it, but it is supposed to be better than regular fluoro.
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The Fluoroflex plus is softer and has a better knot [email protected] Saying that for above average flies I prefer Fluoroflex as it is stiffer.
Of course you can use larger diameter Plus version and get the same turnover. For example 0.013 has I believe 15 lb test which is plenty and 0.015" 20 lb.
Still both are soft enough to not impair fly movement. Just for comparison Maxima Chamelon is [email protected]" and [email protected]".
For medium and smaller flies Plus version could produce better movement of the fly.
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