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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-26-2016, 02:30 AM Thread Starter
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Lower dean vs Russia atlantics best rivers

Just curious if anybody has fished lower dean in good old days when lots of fish were hooked in mid teens and higher and could compare to Russian atlantics best rivers in June or early July
Pound for pound comparison of bright sea lice fish

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Just curious if anybody has fished lower dean in good old days when lots of fish were hooked in mid teens and higher and could compare to Russian atlantics best rivers in June or early July
Pound for pound comparison of bright sea lice fish
I've fished the lower Dean for the past 6-7 years straddling the last week June/first week July - primary target = chinook. However, the 'bycatch' of steelhead @ this time has been usually more numerous steelhead than chinook and all fresh from the salt. Average sized steelhead around 14lbs (range 6lb [v. rare] to almost tipping 20lb).

I've also fished on the Russian Kola peninsular rivers (Kharlovka, Litza, Rynda & the Kola itself) varying from the 1st week of June to the 3rd week in August & all points in between. The Atlantics range from 7lb to 40+lb, (i've personally landed a couple just bumping the 30lb mark).

In respect of fight/toughness of fish, pound for pound the fresh Atlantics are equivalent to the fresh steelhead (IMHO).


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What fights harder? The one on the end of your line. You are trying to compare one of the hottest strains of steelhead to a salmon 'region'. Where some rivers have big fish and others have similar sized fish to those from the Dean. Different Russian drainages have different strains of fish. Some have their peak in the Autumn. Some in June. Some of those June rivers have cookie cutter smaller fish. Some have large fish. Some have large fish that fight better than those 50 miles away.

All things being equal and VERY general- the 'average' Atlantic doesn't panic and sprint the same as a Lower Dean steelhead. Jumps are usually telegraphed with salmon. In the end salmon usually have more stamina and pull harder. Each fish is an individual and you may encounter a dud or world beater in either species.

If money were no object third or fourth week of June on Kharlovka/E. Litza or Yokanga every single time over the Dean for me. YMMV.
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I'm talking pound for pound fish lower dean mid teens or bigger on average compared to kharlovka E litza Russian late June same size
So let's say lower dean fresh with sea lice compared to kharlovka or E litza 3rd to 4th week of June with sea lice on average fight
Also hottest dean fish that size vs hottest Russian fish same size pound for pound
I've found for super smokin hot dean fish is 1 out of 10 that's why I'm saying 15lb plus that size will have stamina and weight for multiple mind blowing runs leaving u siting on rocks thinking no steelhead on planet earth can fight any better
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I guess you would need to go to find out for yourself.
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Looks like it's going to happen next year
Funny Bill McMillan favorite fish is a toutle river spring steelhead prior to mount Saint Helens blowing up
Pete Soverel is a dean spring chinook
I'm know great steelheaders purposely break of chinook in June on dean time after time targeting steelhead they said did want to waste time wrestling farm animals
I had chinook in June on dean fight as fast jump as high take line as much as the best steelhead from river than u got the down and dirty one like wrestling farm animals
Great steelhead on great rivers blow them selves up angler runs and reels and watches the show 10 minutes at most if u know how to fight fish
Looks like attraction on atlantics is the big fish around 40 lb guessing some of the fight is down and dirty have to live with that just like chinooks on dean
I rather have 10 minutes of bliss on a 7-8 wt rod than down and dirty on 9-10 wt rod for who knows how long I'm not in to 1000 lb Marlin or 150 lb tarpon rather catch 50-70 lb tarpon on flats and 25-35 lb dorado than 1000 lb Marlin
So I don't know Atlantic salmon but sounds similar to dean chinooks vs dean steelhead they can be similar but the chinook can have a down and dirty card up its sleeve
So to each his own agree to disagree different strokes different folks
Bad thread to individual and personal this is what I get out of it both awesome fish so looking forward to meeting a kharlovka and eastern litza 10 hope I'm lucky enough
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In my limited steelhead experience, they are definetly more erratic, changing directions and all over the place. But mothing jumps like an Atlantic (IN MY OPPINION),. They leap clear out of the water time after time during the fight.
Both great fish. Chinook are too. I honnestly pity anyone who has one of these fish on and complains it isn't the righ fish... Hope I never get to that point...

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If your trip does come together I hope you get good water conditions with a decent run of fish to get a nice picture of what 'it' is all about. You will find they don't fight like Chinook or Steelhead. They fight like Atlantic Salmon found in the Kharlovka. You might have a little farm animal wrestling or some all out sprints. Some fish will be tame. Some may go nuts. But mostly you will find they are somewhere in-between the two species while behaving closer to Steelhead when it comes to chasing a fly. Even then they are not steelhead when it comes to chasing a fly. If you have never been Atlantic salmon fishing before I would suggest doing some research on the tactics differences (Salmon Magic is a great resource). Casting distance and control at distance can not be overstated enough for these fish in your chosen destination. I wouldn't chase them with anything smaller than a 14' 9wt and would prefer a 15'. But that is up to the angler and of course there are a zillion other options if you so choose.

I wouldn't call salmon 'hot' like you would lower Dean steelhead. Regardless of where you find them. They just don't tend to act panicked (sure SOME do) like a steelhead can. Their moves are more plodding, almost as if they plan it out, rarely in a rush and rarely do they feel as though you are dragging a barn door across the pool like a chinook when it digs in. Runs are often plodding too. Somewhat similar to a big buck steelhead that is in no rush to get anywhere but intent on getting wherever it will at its own pace. Just be wary as these fish (salmon) can and will clean your clock with LONG non stop runs. Yes, there are 'those' fish- the fish that make either species 'legendary'. Fish that leave you shaking your head in wonderment of how 'that' just happened.

For me the enjoyment of salmon over steelhead is in the challenge of getting them to take a fly. And learning more about how they behave and how that impacts your tactics (and more specifically how it changes their taking lies). Seems like there are more variables to solve to consistently get results. Even and ESPECIALLY in paradise.
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I ve seen some Dean fish, particularly a big fresh hen, do ariel acrobatics that are spectacular. ... Like run cartwheeling upstream for close to a 75 yards and then cartwheel all the way back down the river past the original hook up point , while I am literally "whale roping" line as fast as I can, and then have the hen end up the same distance below me in a matter of what seemed like seconds. Its quite exhilarating to be out there by yourself and land one of those rockets. On the other hand, I ve seen TDF fish give jumps and fights that took my breath away and local large trout on 6x do the same thing…. it ' s all good.
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Hey Seahawk - just read your post with interest. I can't speak to Russian Atlantic salmon but I can assure you from my experiences there are NO similarities between Chinooks and Atlantics, except they are both great fish but are very different in my opinion.

You will have to share your thoughts upon return from your trip.
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