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A river in Scotland and one in Ireland ??

Looks like our family vacation is taking us to my ancestry roots, both Ireland and Scotland.
While there, my better half has agreed to at least two fishing days, one in each country. I'm trying to decide on which rivers to swing ... ??
I've heard good things about the Tummel and the Moy. I'm looking for a decent size river to wade and fish without breaking the bank on beat fees.
Good thing about this vacation is the window is between July and October, so I'm sure I can find decent timing somewhere ....

Anyone has any suggestions ??


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From what I have heard and read about the Moy, it's a fantastic experience. It sees LOTS of fish, though mostly smaller. Plenty of opportunities to waddle up out of the river at days end, drop your rod in the rack outside the pub, and enjoy a Guinness and some local music with your waders still on. It occupies a fairly high spot on my bucket list.

Good luck, enjoy the heck out of your trip, and be sure to post some pics when you get back!
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For info on the Moy search Hooked on the Moy. I have a couple of their magazines laying round the house somewhere.

Another nice river I've fished is the Mourne. Lots of good fly water.
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Here in Scotland you are coming over at the time prices climb highest. The last two or three years there has been a drop in grilse numbers so fishing closer to the sea on cheaper association water can be really hit and miss.
If you can find some upper beats on the Tummel that fit your budget then fishing should be ok. If you're staying around Perth you have access to plenty of options.
If you are travelling further north then avoid the,Dee, its run has collapsed.
The association waters on Helmsdale, Naver, Alness, Ness, Kyle of Sutherland will all have fish earlier on in your window.
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Jealous.... good intel from piker20- did you check out fishpalUK Mike?
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Ireland season closes September 30th I think. If you're thinking about visiting the Northwest of Ireland there's a myriad of rivers. Moy is the most famous but if you're there during a spate then I would definitely consider a smaller, more wild, river.

Assuming the family is going consider a town that has attractions besides fishing. I know Sligo has some things to do...kids even could try surfing.
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July is perhaps the best month. The problem with the Moy is that around 60% of it is not good fly water, very slow flow. That being said, there are some nice beats, and the run of grilse can be a very good one. If going there, please try the ridge pool and the cathedral beat, at Ballina, on the estuary. This is tidal water, you loose half of the day because of high tide, but at lower tide it is good fly water. If the season has been dry, you can fish over countless numbers of fish, which you can see from a bridge.

July is the best month for the Galway Weir beat, in the middle of the town. If just one or two gates are open, very good fly water. You have to book in advance for one or two days, and take your chance. More than 3 gates open and it is not possible to swing a fly there to catch a salmon.

July and the first half of August is big time in the Spey. Very good fly fishing river. There is good association water at Grantown, perhaps the best in all of the UK and Ireland.
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Some good info here so far, I've been checking it out some things online ... but always better to have first hand opinions. Seems every river is the "best" on Google

No opinions on the Tummel or other gems in Scotland ??
I've had a few offers for the Tyne ?? I still need to check it out.

This is really not a "fishing" vacation, more of a family vacation and my better half realizes this is the "Salmon Holy Land", so she is gracing me with a couple days of fishing. So there has to be something for the rest of the family to do while I'm on the river. Whether it's urban trekking or even at the beach for a day.

The search continues ... I appreciate the responses so far and if anyone has anything to add that would be great


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Mike, I have fished both the Ridge Pool on the Moy and the Galway Weir. Out of the two, the Moy produced the best fishing. Both are in the middle of town and there is plenty of things the family could do while you fish. My best fishing in Scotland was on the River Awe, not sure how it fishes today. Sounds like a fun trip.

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Depends a great deal on when you are going Mike. If July I would hit the Delphi in Ireland if you can get on it. It is mostly a hatchery fishery with cookie cutter 4-7 pound fish but in a stunning setting. Otherwise the Abercorn beat on the Mourne in Norn Ir'n is good for grilse in the summer...if you can get on it. Plenty of other options on the Mourne if you do some google searching. Mourne is a bigger stream.

Fishing wise Scotland is all over the board in July. Way too much good fishing to be had. All depends on availability for some day tickets. Try the Lochy. Probably full booked, never know strange things happen for a spare rod for one day. But the Spey at Grantown will have day tickets to fish the association water. Surely you will take a drive down the Spey Valley? If you have one day to fish in Scotland I would be very tempted to take this as the place to fish. But this also depends on when you go as later in your trip window there are better options further down the valley IF you can get a single day rod. You could do the Naver association water in the far north of Scotland. Different country up there with one lane (complete with on coming traffic at 55mph) roads and vistas as far as you can see. If you make it out to Lewis a small stream to try and see if they have availability would be Garynahine through the same named Estate. This puts you minutes away from the Callanish Standing Stones and Carloway Broche plus the Black Houses and some wonderful beaches. As long as the wind blows this small spate stream fishes. Grimersta is THE option on Lewis (but it will be booked...never know) as this is THE GEM. Tummel is past its expiration date in July forward. Tay is still plugging along with summer salmon. PLENTY of options for a day rod on the Tay. Even though the Dee has not been great the past couple of years that is mostly due to the absence of the spring run. Summer fishing is still viable, down from what it was even 4 years ago, but viable. This could put you on a private beat for a day. I say this because the PRIME middle beats are not full booked anymore. If you have ever fancied a cast on Ballogie or Carlogie there is some July onwards (very limited) availability. Contact the estate to see if they will part with a day rod.

Could keep going on about options as this barely begins to scratch of what is there. It will all depend on when you decide to take your trip and what is left over for availability (or cancellations that do happen that you might scoop up). A couple photos for a taste of Scotland...
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Beautiful photos William !!
I look forward to seeing the wondrous landscape and plan many days just exploring the countryside.
As far as fishing, I may have a bit more searching to do and know the timing of our trip may not be optimal for the salmon season. But it's not the primary goal ... of this trip anyways. I will keep inquiring and make a decision based on which river may offer a better chance for the chance at a salmon. Thanks for the insight

Marty, I had look at the Awe, looks like an interesting river. I also had a look at the Mourne on the emerald isle ... looks like a beautiful river, not a large river but at least a two-hander would fit Smaller fish, but a good scrap regardless, especially on one of my lighter MKS's.


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Mike,

You will be there during the prime salmon season somewhere in Scotland!

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You will be there during the prime salmon season somewhere in Scotland!

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I just need to find it
I thought of the Beauly as well as the Tweed ...


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Lower Beauly is a great stretch if you can somehow pull it off. Drove down the Tweed this past May with the wife on our holiday. Borders are completely different to the heelans. If you want big water for the big sticks hit the Tay below the Tummel or Inverness AC water. Spey is medium sized at best (13-14' rods at most in Grantown and most of the river until it opens up below Aberlour...even then it depends on water levels). Dee is smaller yet.
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Really not looking for "big" water, more like 14' rod water
The sections of the Tweed like "Horseburgh" and "Tevoit" really tickle my fancy !! Those sections scream salmon to me and I know that I would be happy just to swing them


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