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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 11-26-2015, 05:34 PM Thread Starter
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Quebec Salmon tags for 2016

Well it's official
If an angler wishes to buy a Catch and Kill licence in Quebec in 2016 it will be 4 tags .Only one large Salmon tag will be included with 3 Grilse .
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Really ??
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Many of us who regularly fish salmon in Quebec see it as a long overdue positive change to the retention rules.

Who really needs to kill and eat 7 MSW salmon a season in this day and age (the old rules)? Seriously - it was previously possible to whack up to 7 big egg wagon hens a season (a 140+ pound haul) if you were so inclined (and some were!).

This change combined with the new, sane rules of delaying retention in most rivers until after July 31, when return counts have been done and assessment of whether a harvest can be supported are good conservation moves.

The catch and grill crowd may argue that angler retention is not the root cause of the decline of Atlantic salmon populations, and I would agree that the decline is a result of MANY factors. However, one can't dispute the fact that making sure that there are enough spawners on the beds making babies is not going to hurt the situation. With bad ocean conditions reducing the survival of smolts, it can only help return numbers by rivers pumping out more smolts to partially compensate. This is only a start, there are many other things that need to change, but it is a solid contribution by anglers.

As an aside, there's plenty of great local seafood available to salmon anglers in Quebec besides wild salmon. Lobster is tasty, abundant and dirt cheap. Gaspe cold water shrimp are inexpensive and fantastic, and there's plenty of striped bass around now so it's dead easy to take your fly rod to the shore and catch one for the table in many areas.
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My post above was to comment that killing salmon is still allowed. Nova Scotia, PEI and New Brunswick switched over to NO Kill ... I thought for sure Quebec would follow suit.
Yes, it is a step in the right direction, however in today's age, I can't understand why people feel the need to kill a salmon for food. There are other sources to feed yourself and your family. Killing an "egg wagon" is criminal, so is killing a sperm donor .... in my opinion. It is all contributing to lowering returning numbers and the extinction of the species.

Ultimately, it may be selfish, but I would like my son and his son to sample the pleasures of salmon fishing. To see a salmon in real time, in the river it lives, not at an aquarium, or on the Discovery Channel .....


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Change comes slowly to the Belle Province. I'm honestly surprised that they went as far as they did with shifting the retention limits and date of the kill season. These limits will severely curtail the Quebec salmon harvest.

I can recall bag limits being 20 trout daily in areas that I fished in Quebec in the past. Now there's a province-wide ice-fishing ban on lake trout in response to severe over-fishing.

The good thing is that by far, most new and/or young salmon anglers are strongly pro-release and the generation that wanted to fill the freezer with salmon is slowly tapping out.
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As a non-citizen, and enthusiastic user of the resources I am totally excited to see the changes.
Let's hope that most will come to realize that this is the least we can do to preserve what we have, and continue to enjoy the rivers.

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https://youtu.be/AlaTrordUbw

Worth watching. We have loads of c/r being mandatory forced, and coming across many strong arguments.

For a government to act in making this in the name of conservation is a scream. We know the major concerns in the decline of salmon on mass, obviously little change for that industry, So implement c/r for what.

We know it don't matter if its 100 or 200 salmon on the reds. Each river can only sustain a max level of smolt for them to become healthy fish

Its totally unthought, its unnecessary, and it adds nothing to the recovery of salmon.

I usted to fish c/r and totally thought this was the way to go. to be honest i just kind of went along with the thought that it helped the salmon, never scrutinising it. Circumstances changed me to look at it in other angles, and check and long term affects. Our river Dee a prime example, had 2 worst seasons on record. however conditions were bad, low warm flows.

I like how he explains the par to smolt and max capacity.
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The reality is there is no way of measuring what nature is capable or incapable of, be it in a specific river or ocean. Every "scientific study" not and for C&R is only a generalization or theory based on past records of data.
Too many variables for the equation.
There is only one truism....
When you kill a salmon, it is no longer swimming in that river. Therefore, as anglers, we have one less salmon to angle for.
In a 100 kilometer river that has a run of 100 salmon, it is quite depressing to think we would have to spend that much time and energy to catch one to put on our plates.
I'm sure for the majority of anglers, our passion to angle outweighs our need for salmon steaks on the bbq.
But that is just a theory.........
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Off course we enjoy to fish, before we even think to kill for the table.

That is not my issue. C/R is being put foreword as a good tool in the conservation of Atlantic Salmon. I now seriously doubt that, infant I think it makes no difference.
I perhaps kill max 2 fish in 1 year, if I was to fish a river with low stock, i would not kill a fish same as if I caught an old black back end fish.

My main issue is the positive affect in c/r. Like many other salmon fishers I used to return all my fish and thought c/r was the way foreword. I never in any way scrutinised it, I went along with everyone els in believing this was a tool in preserving the longevity of the salmon.

I think it does need to be scrutinised, and what is evident in abundance is how little if any benefit it bring

It is the smolt factory that is essential in the fishes survival, the argument of 1 extra fish on the reds will make a difference. Please check the video, if only its food for thought.
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Again, there are only generalizations of the impact of C&R and or C&K to a specific river.
And the laws & regulations set for the most part are set with the intent of what's best for a broad spectrum(natives, locals, jobs, commercial anglers, tax dollars, sport anglers....etc.) not what's best for the species. Trying to make everyone happy usually fails, and most of the time, its at the salmons ' expense.

Was fishing the Trinite river in quebec. Hooked and released a beautiful salmon.
Next day, my buddy hooked and released that same fish in the same pool.

University of Laval conducted a study on the effects of C&R on the Escoumins rivers. Ive fished that river for the past 14 years and spent many, many days there.Every fish caught was recorded by taking a sample of a fish's adipose and some were radio tagged.
Some fish were hooked and released SEVERAL TIMES.
It was determined that, if done properly, C&R has NO NEGATIVE IMPACT and survival was close to 100%

If we, as anglers, can admit to ourselves that our main goal is to hook these fish, then we can truly appreciate that having as many fish in the system while we are there fishing, will increase our odds in actually hooking one.

So C&R may or may not be effective in terms of egg production or sustainability of the run, but I know that I spent thousands of hours & dollars, tying flies, buying gear, booking outfitters and guides, taking time off work and family, to FISH FOR ATLANTIC SALMON!

One less salmon, is one less that I or my friends and family, or you could catch.

The main reason we care about salmon is because we fish for them. If we didn't, we would not know about their struggle to survive . We'd only know salmon as a stupid fish that swims the wrong way up a river that is only good to put in a can or on the bbq.

I choose to help my odds in hooking fish.
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