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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 10-01-2015, 01:23 PM Thread Starter
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.... There is no doubt one can learn everything there is to know about two handed fly rod angling here at the pages.. But it is mostly a marketing tool exploited by pseudo conservationist wolves in elitist wannabe sheep's wool preaching the glories of catch and release "fishturbating" on tackle fit for royalty.This goes nowhere at all in terms of real conservation. Young anglers can be so easily fooled by this useless elitist catch and release indoctrination. THE SPORT ANGLER IS LAST ON THE LIST OF THINGS THAT DAMAGE THE RESOURCE. Traditions deserve to be upheld. The forms of angling discussed here are rare and valuable.Traditional fly tying and old fashion tackle are amazing things to behold! But it seems like some forum members are "stooges" for the power elite trying to coax newcomers into spending as much money as possible on tackle and destinations while giving up all rights to enjoy an adult wild fish for food. Very few members with real conservation news are able to get through to new anglers who are the future of the sport. One by one fisheries will vanish because we are to busy scoffing at other anglers and playing high and mighty instead of focusing a collective effort at saving the resource from the real killers.And if you don't know who the real killers are START FOLLOWING THE MONEY TRAIL in your local fishery. It may be there is no hope at all. Since human biology now seems inseparable from monetary systems.This combination has been very toxic.

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.... There is no doubt one can learn everything there is to know about two handed fly rod angling here at the pages.. But it is mostly a marketing tool exploited by pseudo conservationist wolves in elitist wannabe sheep's wool preaching the glories of catch and release "fishturbating" on tackle fit for royalty.This goes nowhere at all in terms of real conservation. Young anglers can be so easily fooled by this useless elitist catch and release indoctrination. THE SPORT ANGLER IS LAST ON THE LIST OF THINGS THAT DAMAGE THE RESOURCE. Traditions deserve to be upheld. The forms of angling discussed here are rare and valuable.Traditional fly tying and old fashion tackle are amazing things to behold! But it seems like some forum members are "stooges" for the power elite trying to coax newcomers into spending as much money as possible on tackle and destinations while giving up all rights to enjoy an adult wild fish for food. Very few members with real conservation news are able to get through to new anglers who are the future of the sport. One by one fisheries will vanish because we are to busy scoffing at other anglers and playing high and mighty instead of focusing a collective effort at saving the resource from the real killers.And if you don't know who the real killers are START FOLLOWING THE MONEY TRAIL in your local fishery. It may be there is no hope at all. Since human biology now seems inseparable from monetary systems.This combination has been very toxic.
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I strongly disagree. His thinking would, indeed, be missed. He made some great points. I would like to see some thought-out responses--he certainly thought enough about something to post.
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.... There is no doubt one can learn everything there is to know about two handed fly rod angling here at the pages.. But it is mostly a marketing tool exploited by pseudo conservationist wolves in elitist wannabe sheep's wool preaching the glories of catch and release "fishturbating" on tackle fit for royalty.This goes nowhere at all in terms of real conservation. Young anglers can be so easily fooled by this useless elitist catch and release indoctrination. THE SPORT ANGLER IS LAST ON THE LIST OF THINGS THAT DAMAGE THE RESOURCE. Traditions deserve to be upheld. The forms of angling discussed here are rare and valuable.Traditional fly tying and old fashion tackle are amazing things to behold! But it seems like some forum members are "stooges" for the power elite trying to coax newcomers into spending as much money as possible on tackle and destinations while giving up all rights to enjoy an adult wild fish for food. Very few members with real conservation news are able to get through to new anglers who are the future of the sport. One by one fisheries will vanish because we are to busy scoffing at other anglers and playing high and mighty instead of focusing a collective effort at saving the resource from the real killers.And if you don't know who the real killers are START FOLLOWING THE MONEY TRAIL in your local fishery. It may be there is no hope at all. Since human biology now seems inseparable from monetary systems.This combination has been very toxic.
If you wish to divorce yourself from the 'elitist' band of sport fishermen and thus have the ability to retain fish to satisfy your 'hunting' instincts and your empty stomach, I'm sure some arrangements could be made, for a much smaller fee than is currently the norm for casting for fish you can kill to your fill, for you to visit one of the many aquaculture facilities in Scotland, Ireland, Norway, Chile, or BC.

There, you will be able to use short efficient casts to willing, biting fish with simple flies and stuff your shouldered man-bag with flesh to cook.

A couple of hours per week will fill your freezer to bursting, and you will be sated.

There are many diverse 'wild' near-coastal destinations to visit; each week it could be a different challenge; you can even test out many different fly patterns and report back to us as to the best flies for each seasonal & weather variation, as well as the lines and casting methods that are most successful in such hunting endeavours, and, of course, the length and model of rod most efficient in landing your prey - and don't forget to post up your posing kill pictures for all to see.
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"And if you don't know who the real killers are START FOLLOWING THE MONEY TRAIL in your local fishery"

The hatchery proponents (private and governmental agencies) that want to keep propping up an enormously expensive and overall globally faulty and failing put and take fishery in order for people to be able to kill a bunch of fish for dinner because we always have??

Just because people would like to use nature like their ancestors did, doesn't make it right or somehow better than the new "'elitist' band of sport fishermen" who preach 100% catch and release of wild fish. If sportfishermen and women are doing the least amount of damage to the resource through catch and kill then do we just blame all the other problems and continue with the status quo or do we do our part to help fix the problem? The grassroots start at the lowest level and move on up the ladder solution. How do we tell all the other abusers of the resource to stop when we could be included in that number? Hypocrisy does not stand well in negotiation or contribute to solving the problem. That's the attitude of the sheep of humanity that look no further than themselves and blame all the worlds problems on everyone else without ever willing to make their own sacrifices inorder to contribute to helping to fix the problem.

I would rather the next generation have wild fish to actually catch than for this generation to be able to have wild fish to eat. Maybe one day we can have it both ways again, but today is not that world.
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I strongly disagree. His thinking would, indeed, be missed. He made some great points. I would like to see some thought-out responses--he certainly thought enough about something to post.
He could have made those points without the pathetic attacks on people who can afford to travel to destinations and buy nice gear. His post read to me like the bitter ramblings of the dude who convinces himself that he is better off with the mediocre looking girl because the attractive girl is surely dumb and greedy.
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"And if you don't know who the real killers are START FOLLOWING THE MONEY TRAIL in your local fishery"

The hatchery proponents (private and governmental agencies) that want to keep propping up an enormously expensive and overall globally faulty and failing put and take fishery in order for people to be able to kill a bunch of fish for dinner because we always have??

Just because people would like to use nature like their ancestors did, doesn't make it right or somehow better than the new "'elitist' band of sport fishermen" who preach 100% catch and release of wild fish. If sportfishermen and women are doing the least amount of damage to the resource through catch and kill then do we just blame all the other problems and continue with the status quo or do we do our part to help fix the problem? The grassroots start at the lowest level and move on up the ladder solution. How do we tell all the other abusers of the resource to stop when we could be included in that number? Hypocrisy does not stand well in negotiation or contribute to solving the problem. That's the attitude of the sheep of humanity that look no further than themselves and blame all the worlds problems on everyone else without ever willing to make their own sacrifices inorder to contribute to helping to fix the problem.

I would rather the next generation have wild fish to actually catch than for this generation to be able to have wild fish to eat. Maybe one day we can have it both ways again, but today is not that world.
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.... There is no doubt one can learn everything there is to know about two handed fly rod angling here at the pages.. But it is mostly a marketing tool exploited by pseudo conservationist wolves in elitist wannabe sheep's wool preaching the glories of catch and release "fishturbating" on tackle fit for royalty.This goes nowhere at all in terms of real conservation. Young anglers can be so easily fooled by this useless elitist catch and release indoctrination. THE SPORT ANGLER IS LAST ON THE LIST OF THINGS THAT DAMAGE THE RESOURCE. Traditions deserve to be upheld. The forms of angling discussed here are rare and valuable.Traditional fly tying and old fashion tackle are amazing things to behold! But it seems like some forum members are "stooges" for the power elite trying to coax newcomers into spending as much money as possible on tackle and destinations while giving up all rights to enjoy an adult wild fish for food. Very few members with real conservation news are able to get through to new anglers who are the future of the sport. One by one fisheries will vanish because we are to busy scoffing at other anglers and playing high and mighty instead of focusing a collective effort at saving the resource from the real killers.And if you don't know who the real killers are START FOLLOWING THE MONEY TRAIL in your local fishery. It may be there is no hope at all. Since human biology now seems inseparable from monetary systems.This combination has been very toxic.
Might I suggest staying away from the internet while drinking? Seriously, though I think you actually have some valid points in there somewhere, it's hard to take much of it serious with the random raving tone here. "Pseudo conservationist wolves in elitist sheeps wool"??? Because some (most?) of us can see the absolute need to minimize our own impact on wild stocks? I think you've jumbled a lot of resentment together here in an incoherent mix.

Don't like with elitism? I think you'll find lots of agreement from quite a few members here.
Frustrated that some of the biggest threats to wild fish are challenging and daunting to overcome? I think you'd have near unanimous agreement, and shared frustration.
Feel that angler impact is minimal in comparison? I doubt many would differ.

If you have so much passion for these issues, perhaps focus on one or more of them without going out of your way to alienate or insult potential friends and allies?
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P.S. I think it's safe to say that I'm about as far from the "power elite" as they come, not even sure what the heck that place might look like, but it sure doesn't describe me.
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A wonderful high school teacher of mine once said, "You are absolutely entitled to your opinion. But nobody is going to take that opinion seriously if you can't support it with the facts."

I don't know a single member of this forum personally. What I do know of them comes strictly from what they post here or through other communications that originated here. I don't read every post, or even most of them. However, based on what I have read over the past 7 years, I do know the following:

1) There are a number of active, ardent conservationists in the Speypages community. Look no further than the generous, consistent donations that are made to the Fly Fishing Collaborative for evidence of that. Many more are members of the Steelhead Society of British Columbia, the Atlantic Salmon Federation, and similar organizations.

2) One of the reasons that I read and post here is that the community is civil. There is a minimum of "scoffing at other anglers." Compared to other communities that I abandoned long ago, the Speypages gang is highly respectful and welcoming to all those who show a similar level of respect for others and to the resource we all love, regardless of how they fish and the equipment they use. I would encourage you to consider your own accusations against and stereotyping of Speypages members in this light.

3) Releasing wild fish is a valid practice. I release all the wild fish I catch not because I'm on an elitist crusade or because I get a charge out of putting myself on some sort of warped, imaginary pedestal. I do it because a drainage with one more wild fish in it is better than a drainage with one less wild fish in it. That's it. That's the only reason. I arrived at that position based on experience pre-dating my Speypages membership by a couple of decades. I came of age just before striped bass stocks collapsed on the East Coast. I'm old enough to remember the fishing in the "good old days" of the 1970's. I also vividly recall the crash of the 1980's when they were virtually non-existent in my local waters. One of the things we learned when bringing those fish back from the brink was that sport anglers were touching (by that I mean hooking and landing) about 1/2 of the entire striped bass population on the East Coast every year. That's still the case today. We realized that if we wanted a more robust fishery, we, too had to limit the number of fish we were killing. Pointing our fingers at the commercial guys wasn't going to solve the problem, particularly when they could justifiably do the same to us. In the end, it's pretty simple math. For every wild fish killed, there's one less fish in the system today and one less fish to spawn the next generation tomorrow. You and I can probably agree that a future (and even a present) with more wild fish is better than one with fewer wild fish.

I think I speak for more than just myself when I say that there's room to challenge "mainstream" values here. But it's best for the entire community if it is done respectfully, thoughtfully, and with a bias toward facts rather than speculation and emotion.
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