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post #1 of 45 (permalink) Old 09-28-2015, 10:20 AM Thread Starter
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Big news for Quebec Atlantic Salmon

I haven't seen this posted on Spey Pages yet, so I'm putting up the info.

I never thought that I'd see it happen, but Quebec is going mandatory C&R next season for salmon on all but 2 Southern rivers (unfortunately both rivers are known for huge fish - the Causapscal and Moise) from season opening until Aug 1. There's a provision for opening a kill season after Aug. 1 provided river counts are sufficient, but in reality it's effectively C&R since the vast majority of salmon are killed in June and July in Southern Quebec.

I imagine there's a lot of cuss words flying around in certain circles in Quebec, but for the majority of us, this is AMAZING.



ASF press release here:
Atlantic Salmon Federation - Live Release of QC Large Salmon in 2016 a Welcome Move
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Finally some common sense!
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Entirely overdue. The kill statistics for rivers in Quebec, excepting a very few, were horrific. Quebec was about the last bastion. Even in Norway, where kill fishing was very much the tradition, it has changed rapidly over the last several years. Hopefully, there will NOT be a kill season after Aug. 1.
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Yes, Great news!!

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Great news indeed!! Thanks for posting.
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A breath of fresh air. The resource being considered. Hurray!
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Terrific news. Long overdue.
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Do you know what is holding the Causapscal and Moisie back? Local ZEC resisting?
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Go Fishing In Quebec

I fished out of Gaspe for a few days last week and had spirited discussions with the guide (from Quebec Sporting) about C&R. The apparent concern is that C&R will reduce angler visits and leave the ZEC un/underfunded and unable to continue their mission.

I will not visit a river when salmon can be bonked on the head, figure that most of the folks on Spey Pages have a similar take, but appreciate the local concerns.

The solution? Go fishing! Seriously, make the trek to Quebec and swing a wet or float a dry for salmon. The US$ is strong, the fishing costs are reasonable, and the rivers are beautiful. Show folks that C&R brings dollars and it will become the norm.
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I just see no reason to kill an Atlantic any more. Period. There just are not enough fish in the runs anymore to reasonably ensure the future of the runs with a kill season.
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Unfortunately, we Quebecers, somehow evolve at a lesser pace than the majority, but we eventually get there. Usually led by the young. Which are the ones we are doing it for.
"Teach them well and let them lead the way"..........
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About zecs.......
Even though the majority of the people that work there are honest working people that are just trying to make a living and truly love their rivers, it is a handful of the corrupted that take the spotlight and reflect poorly on the Zec and or regions they control.
There will never be a perfect system and we do have a decent one, but I believe it should be the ones who are truly connected to the rivers who should have the majority of the say of how they're controlled.
Youre right GonzosPerch. We have to show them that C&R is and will be the new norm.
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Not good news

Is The Ocean where the fish feed,grow and live most of their lives closed to kill fishing yet? You see here once again this is great news but chemical toxicity in our world is changing the way the oceans produce life. The news that sport fishers are now required by law to release a great meal after spending all that money....well it loses it's luster quickly when the larger obvious problem goes on almost completely unchecked. I for one have had my hopes dashed.I will never fish for Atlantic Salmon in Quebec. Because after a day of fishing,the idea of going to the store or a fine dining establishment for farmed or industrial caught salmon is completely idiotic. Sport anglers are not the cause of the destruction of fisheries. Industrial pollution,logging,mining,and commercial overfishing are the activities killing all the fish. Best of luck to all the peasants. When we can no longer feed ourselves and we are lined up at the troughs controlled by the destructors what will we become? Now watch this thread blow up.

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Can't decide whether this is either simply an uninformed position (you openly state that you've never fished for Atlantics in Quebec) or an intentional troll. Either way, I hope that few rise to the "bait".




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Is The Ocean where the fish feed,grow and live most of their lives closed to kill fishing yet? You see here once again this is great news but chemical toxicity in our world is changing the way the oceans produce life. The news that sport fishers are now required by law to release a great meal after spending all that money....well it loses it's luster quickly when the larger obvious problem goes on almost completely unchecked. I for one have had my hopes dashed.I will never fish for Atlantic Salmon in Quebec. Because after a day of fishing,the idea of going to the store or a fine dining establishment for farmed or industrial caught salmon is completely idiotic. Sport anglers are not the cause of the destruction of fisheries. Industrial pollution,logging,mining,and commercial overfishing are the activities killing all the fish. Best of luck to all the peasants. When we can no longer feed ourselves and we are lined up at the troughs controlled by the destructors what will we become? Now watch this thread blow up.
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Can't decide whether this is either simply an uninformed position (you openly state that you've never fished for Atlantics in Quebec) or an intentional troll. Either way, I hope that few rise to the "bait".
Poorly worded though it may have been, he is still somewhat accurate.

We, as sportsman, seem completely willing to give up our rights to the resource for nothing in return.

Biologically, salmon are especially well suited to angler harvest. Firstly, less spawners does not mean less outgoing smolt and returning fish just as more spawners does not mean more outgoing smolt and returning fish. A given river has the capacity to output X amount of smolts and will do so, so long as a minimum number of spawners is achieved, meaning increasing the number of spawners, say on a good year for returns, isnt going to affect the smolt ouput for that year class. This is cleary understood with ample research into the matter being easily found through the web and even in discussions involving trained biologists on this forum.

Adding to that, antecdotally, the rate of harvest via anglers and especially in-river nets was MUCH higher in the past; yet, the fish kept on coming back. Many, certainly not all, of these Quebec rivers have had substantial angler harvest year in and year out with little change in returns (up years and down years aside) -- the Matapedia comes to mind, looking at fish counts and catches.

So back to the initial point...we anglers are always so willing to give up our right to harvest, the most, and oftentimes totally, benign threat to fish stocks in exchange for absolutely nothing, which is, I think, the point of the above poster.

The Greenland nets arent gone.
The French nets at Saint-Pierre et Miquelon arent gone.
The First Nation nets arent gone.
The Aquaculture Industry isnt gone or even more strictly regulated.
Upriver agriculture, timber, mining and other extraction practices arent further regulated (less a problem for much of Quebec than, say, New Brunswick).

Yet somehow we anglers are 'doing are part' when we dont kill what could, and should, be a sustainable meal, and, again to the above poster's point, instead opt to eat some seafood thats been farm-raised or comes from an over-fished resource, or some tasty beef grown on a farm extracting or polluting the water from our beloved fishery, or whatever else. All the while being disgusted at those other guys who do decide to enjoy a sustainable meal. We happily tell those guys they are bad people as we limit their, and our own, right while getting near nothing in return.

The resource isnt better off for it, maybe save for the potential of more repeat taking fish for an extra tug or two.

Ive seen the argument made that CnR gives us a bargaining chip. Maybe it did, but now we dont have it any longer since we just gave up FOR FREE.


That said, I am not against C&R for Quebec in the least, of course, and really many of those Quebec rivers probably shouldnt have a harvest simply on account of not getting many fish to begin with. A river receiving 500 or so fish/year as many of the smaller ones do is certainly more susceptible to over-harvest from angling (even if angler harvest isnt likely to deplete the run, which it isnt).

Ive not killed a fish in Quebec and probably wouldnt to begin so Ill likely be back. That said, there ARE a lot of people that probably are going to be pissed off about this -- many locals, especially -- and the ZECs are going to suffer. Im betting we see a sharp increase in fees for fishing over the next few seasons.
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