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Scotland in August

Likely headed to Glasgow next August for World Pipe Band Championships. This year it was held on Aug. 15th. Not sure about 2016 yet.

Planning to stay for another 3-4 weeks, and wondered what rivers/beats were likely to be productive at that time?

If earlier is better, I'll go and fish before competition. Would rather fish after. Put the pipes away and relax.

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Awesome, bucket list destination for me. Have you enquired with any of the lodges on the Spey Dee or Tay as to availability?
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Check out fishpal Scotland, lots of good intel, good luck at the championships. Mum used to takes us to the Tattoo in Toronto when I was a wee lad
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Likely headed to Glasgow next August for World Pipe Band Championships. This year it was held on Aug. 15th. Not sure about 2016 yet.

Planning to stay for another 3-4 weeks, and wondered what rivers/beats were likely to be productive at that time?

If earlier is better, I'll go and fish before competition. Would rather fish after. Put the pipes away and relax.

thx

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August is grilse time.

As anywhere, it all depends on water as to what will be fshing. Far more water dependent than out west steelheading as everything is spate-dependent. Meaning, the rivers come up after a good rain, fish move in and those already in continue running, and then the river is back down again with a bunch of sour fish sitting on the bottom. It really is the pits fishing over there when there hasnt been a good rain in a couple weeks (seems to happen to me near every time) -- the river is bare bones, like its a drought year over here, without rain, then it rains and its the great floods. No way to predict, really.

If you want a really nice experience (and have lots of spare money, and I mean lots) start NOW contacting the owners on Highland rivers like the Borgie, Naver, Thurso, Brora, Helmsdale, etc. Youd be looking at probably $5000+ for a weeks fishing, but man would that be so great. Getting on the river can be 'dead mans shoes', as they say, meaning that spots only open up when people die as the same guests are booked the same weeks year-to-year, but they do open up so start contacting now if you can swing that.

Fishing beats on Fishpal is the best bet, otherwise. Who knows what next year will bring, but the Tay and Spey are having really good seasons this year while the Dee is yet again having a poor, really poor year, as are the Esks.
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There aren't really lodges so to speak. Private beats and some association water. Of the beats that run lodges, majority will expect a full 6 day week to book. Chances are these weeks are already let to another party where you would be joining them- but not through the lodge, through the party that has the week. You will need to know someone to get in.

Spey is having a decent year. Tay remains to be seen since the big run is still a few weeks away. Where it could be good to poor for the entire season based on what happens these last two months. So far it is a better year but far from good.

After this season the Highland rivers are probably going to be harder to book than winning the powerball. Many of the rivers have been fishing much better.

Fishpal shows the beats that use their services. Which is not all beats or rivers. Tay and Tweed will be coming into their primes later in August. That means the cost goes up and availability goes down. Regardless of the rivers you desire to fish it would be best to contact the estates directly rather than wait for availability to show on fishpal come the end of this year. What is shown is what is left over.

There are a lot of options to fish over there that time of year. Maybe a couple of the regulars that fish there will chime in or PM you some specifics.
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inland makes good points.

Look around on Fishpal and get an idea of which rivers and beats you may want to fish then start contacting those estates as soon as you have your dates. While rods can become available at a moments notice, often for discounted prices, you cant rely on things being available the day before you want to fish or even a week or two before you want to fish. Its an unfortunate reality that you must pay up front and if conditions are crappy, you want to switch rivers, etc. then you are out that money and you must pay again to fish somewhere else.

Also, some of the estates will let the river, or their section of it, for a set fee per week (6 days fishing) per number of rods as inland has mentioned. Meaning, the fee might be 1500/week for 4 rods which, when split 4 ways @ 375/rod, seems 'reasonable' (at least, reasonable in terms of whats the norm for atlantic salmon fishing, especially in Scotland) you cant simply book 1 rod and expect to pay your share -- you book them all or none at all, and thats if the week is even available.

In addition to Fishpal, you can also check the Sporting Lets site:

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These lets are typically going to be as described above, you must purchase the entire week, all rods, or not at all, but its something to look at and you may contact them and one of their agents will try to get you sorted (aka try to get you to spend your money on one of their fishing lets).

Anyway, the prices double come May once the fish start coming in and keep on going up through the year, and July and August are grilse time, but many of the rivers, especially the small Highland rivers, are really neat. Ill send you a PM with suggestions on 'cheaper' fishing Ive done in the past there.
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August into September definately look at the Spey, The Tay late summer/ autumn run will be starting - especially once you get into September, & the Bottom Tweed [below the Till] in August for low water conditions & the lower Tweed in September [between the Teviot & the Till] if there is a drop of extra water - but the middle Tweed [from the Ettrick to the Teviot] will also fish well in either August & [more so] September if the river has has a decent spate & is carrying an extra foot or 2 of water as it clears.

If you want to do a lot of fishing at a reasonable cost on some good fly water then consider the Grantown Association Water; they will sell a weekly visitor's ticket for 215.00 or you can get a visitors season ticket for 500 & something [I can't remember the exact price but it is less than 600] & this will enable you to fish every day except Sundays [No Sunday fishing for salmon is permitted in Scotland] from your' arrival to the end of the season on 30 September.

There are other Associations [fishing clubs] but Grantown does have more water including good fly water. You may need to prove you are staying in Grantown to purchase a vistors ticket.

In September many of the Smaller spate rivers can be productive - but they are rain dependent & booking on a major river may be more dependable.

The Dee is a lovely river but has had a poor year this year [& it wasn't up to much last year either] & is traditionally more of an early season river - but the lower beats can be productive in September, however they tend to be expensive as a result & based on recent performance I would look elsewhere.

Personally I would look at the Spey in August & early September as it offers good fast flowing water in beautiful surroundings & is after all the birthplace of "Speycasting". For variety maybe a move to try the Tweed could be interesting - but this will be very pricey for a good beat on the lower river at this time of year.

One thing you could try is to book the association water & then keep an eye on fishpal availability & if conditions are good [& the stars align....] odd days may become available as last minute lets which you could book on line to try other private beats etc.

Whichever you choose, good luck, & I hope you enjoy your' trip - if you choose Speyside then don't forget to do a tour of the distilleries [but don't drink & drive as they are now really hot on this in Scotland & have greatly reduced the blood alchohol limit allowed before you are prosecuted].

Regards, Tyke.
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Thanks for all that information! There's certainly plenty to mull over! I knew it could be a bit convoluted and difficult, but not to the extent to which you eluded.

Well, it's homework time, isn't it?

thanks again,

Bob

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