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post #1 of 44 (permalink) Old 09-10-2013, 02:14 PM Thread Starter
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skagit casting to wake dry flies??

Im relatively new to spey casting - as well as steelhead flyfishing tactics. Have been practicing my casting all summer, using both a skagit system and a compact Scandi set up. I am much more consistant casting with the Skagit system. From the onset, it was my understanding that most use the skagit system for sink tips and heavy flies and use the Scansi system when waking dries.

Is there going to be a problem ( or a reason not to) if I wake dries, or swing wet flies using my Skagit system and a medium floating MOW tip and a 15ft mono leader??? Im heading out on my first steelhead/spey casting trip next week- so Im probably not going to get much better with the Scandi systm before then

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No, there won't be a problem. Go fishing.
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It'll work. I'd run 4 ft of mono off of my mow and call it good.
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Last fall I put a floating polyleader on the end of my Skagit short and fished Ska-oppers pretty much the way...can't think of his name...on Skagit Master II does it. Didn't seem to be much of a problem. Still and all I bought a Rage (classed as a Skagit head) for just such circumstances.

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Another thought, you can also use skagit casts with your scandi system. Just thought to mention that in case you are intimidated with touch and go casts. In fact I commonly use double speys, snap t/reverse snap t, perry pokes, etc with my scandi systems while fishing surface flies for steelhead. Just my .02

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I would practice up with a full floater. Scando line or a Delta. One of the things with Skagit casting that makes it so easy to learn is that the sustained/well sunk tip and fly prevents blowing your anchor. It will become even more obvious with a dry fly.

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Like others said, of course you can. I've done it a few times and you just need to slow down or your anchor will pull.
Or like Todd said, use sustained anchor casts using your scandi setup if those are the casts you're more consistent with. There's no shame in doing that, in fact I feel a downstream or upstream poke is one of the most powerful casts I can make with my scandi setup and I use them often. There are no hard and fast rules governing which casts you can use with which line system.

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I am much more consistant casting with the Skagit system.

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Is there going to be a problem ( or a reason not to) if I wake dries, or swing wet flies using my Skagit system and a medium floating MOW tip and a 15ft mono leader???
At that point, what you basically have is a heavy-ish Scandi setup. Lots of people prefer switching a tip to switching a full head (I'm not one of them, I'll swap out the whole line).

The question I would be asking, is, what accounts for the difference in results when you go to your scandi setup?

Is it that your sustained-anchor casts are more consistent than touch-and-go?

Or is it you work better with the different loading characteristics of the heavier line?

The first is pretty common.

As has already been pointed out, mixing up your casting and equipment styles a bit may be instructive. There are no hard boundaries and sometimes breaking convention can provide insight, if only to understand why the conventions exist. If you really desire, you can snap-T a 70-foot floater and single-spey a Skagit head with 15' of T-17. Just do it out of sight of the spey police.
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Another thought, you can also use skagit casts with your scandi system. Just thought to mention that in case you are intimidated with touch and go casts. In fact I commonly use double speys, snap t/reverse snap t, perry pokes, etc with my scandi systems while fishing surface flies for steelhead. Just my .02

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I do this all the time with my scandi heads. Works too.
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I have used both mow floating tips and those other rio tips, the versaspey with great success, then like 9ft of leader and the fly. I feel like it skates better with more leader. if i shorten the leader, the presentation is not as nice.
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i remember when i was learning to cast, i could cast a full floating skandi setup, a skagit with a sink tip and weighted fly, but not a skagit with a floating tip and unweighted fly. Now i can do it if i slow down alot, but it still feels like it shouldnt be casting a floating tip, even though it works. this probabaly doesnt help you whatsoever but that was my experience.
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your skagit system should work just fine. I feel most people over complicate things. If you cast it well any line system will work for the majority of situations
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Your skagit will work fine, and land on the water like a 400 lb fat girl hitting the water in a dunk tank at the county fair... Just Perfect!



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Skagit lines were designed primarily for casting heavy sink tips. Even with a floating tip they are still clunky as all get out. Can you do it? Sure you can.

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your skagit system should work just fine. I feel most people over complicate things. If you cast it well any line system will work for the majority of situations
yep....nailed it. Just go fishing...
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