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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 12-20-2011, 06:15 AM Thread Starter
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I prefer fishing speylines. But now somebody told me I miss a lot of chances because I don't strip in.
So my question: What is your experience?

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Stripping in is fine for Atlantics and Browns on a swing, but IMO, unnecessary for steelhead in general conditions (see underlined caviat). In 12 years of chasing steelhead in rivers in the PNW and Great Lakes I have had one steelhead take on the strip in. Micro-stripping to add to the swing speed is different, and in some waters can help quite a bit. Called eel river tactics, but more famous on the slower waters of Irish rivers for salmon, micro stripping or even as the Scots say "pulling through, laddie!" is a worthwhile technique. However, this is different than stripping in after the cast. One can also create a faster swing speed by leading with the rod.

Obviously, I have not fished all waters, so others may have different experiences, but it seems funny that in all the years chasing summer run and winter run fish, I see little result in stripping in normal conditions.

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I prefer fishing speylines. But now somebody told me I miss a lot of chances because I don't strip in.
So my question: What is your experience?
See this thread with the "search engine" by copying and pasting or typing: steelhead on the strip
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For winter fish, it's probably not a big deal, because the fish may be less likely to follow a fly from their lie all the way to the end of the swing. But in the summer, when the fish move farther and are generally more agressive, I think fishing the strip gives you a lot of bonus grabs. The guy who got me started flyfishing for steelhead insisted that you should, whenever possible, 1) wade deep enough for the fish to be comfortable following your fly to the hangdown, 2) patiently let the fly hang on the hangdown for a few seconds, and 3) do two steady, deliberate strips with a pause between them and another pause after them before continuing to the next cast. He said you should do this as routinely as you do any other part of your cast. It takes a lot of focus and discipline at first until it becomes a habit. I've caught a lot of fish that way. In fact, on some trips, it has accounted for a large percentage, like 5 or 6 out of 15 fish hooked. If the fishing is good, it almost always gets one at some point during the trip, and I can think of a couple tougher days where I got my only grab on the strip. In short, it works. I never really pay any attention after the second strip, but I've had plenty of fish grab anyway on the fifth or sixth strip. One time I was fishing a scandi head and had one grab it on the eleventh strip! So, I understand the desire to fish longer lines that don't require stripping. I like them too. But I also can't deny that if I'm not stripping, I'm missing some opportunities in the summer. That fact probably bothers some people more than others.
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Meaningless IMO. I can count on one hand the amount of grabs I have had while stripping line in over that past ten years.
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Meaningless IMO. I can count on one hand the amount of grabs I have had while stripping line in over that past ten years.
Ironic, as I just had one today. Two strips, grab, a few shakes, gone. Landed two others, so not whining.

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I estimate that stripping a short shooting head consumes 20% of angling time under normal circumstances. While re-reading Al Buhr's book, he reports the same.

So, one could argue that stripping a short line "wastes" 20% of angling time, but for people who catch 20% of their fish on the strip, it balances out.

Regardless of the length of line that I'm using, I generally strip at least once or twice to get the line tight before the next cast. I've had steelhead grab in those few initial strips, but never that I can recall on subsequent strips when using short shooting heads (Pacific salmon are a different story). I'll continue to use longer lines in conditions when they're practical, to keep my fly in the water, to open the door to more distance, and most important because it is fun.

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w/ a single hand rod I have caught many fish retrieving swung streamers. You gotta slow it down, rippin line in for the next cast wont get many,fishing the retrieve can get quite a few. Your fly needs to become a minnow slowly cruisin the soft water near the bank,
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w/ a single hand rod I have caught many fish retrieving swung streamers. You gotta slow it down, rippin line in for the next cast wont get many,fishing the retrieve can get quite a few. Your fly needs to become a minnow slowly cruisin the soft water near the bank,
I get a few every year, though rarely landed. But in common with what you're saying, I'm often using minnow patterns and not stripping hard. All of my early (single hand) steelhead success was on stripped streamers, even in winter.

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You gotta slow it down, rippin line in for the next cast wont get many
How much slower than regular stripping would you estimate? Just a bit, or twice as slow?

I'll admit that I have no real intention of fishing the retrieve on my homewaters unless I've got a player interested (nip or boil), but I am more generally interested in what works for different people in various fisheries, and in this case in knowing how much of a full casting cycle people may spend stripping. Simple curiosity.

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I think as others have stated that the chances of hooking up after a pause on the hang down and a couple of initial strips are very rare. I suppose if you slowly stripped in as sivertonedevil suggests, chances would go up but I prefer to cover as much water as possible and I think the time wasted on slowly stripping can be better served in stepping down and making another cast
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How much slower than regular stripping would you estimate? Just a bit, or twice as slow?

I'll admit that I have no real intention of fishing the retrieve on my homewaters unless I've got a player interested (nip or boil), but I am more generally interested in what works for different people in various fisheries, and in this case in knowing how much of a full casting cycle people may spend stripping. Simple curiosity.
Slow it down to minnow speed not every cast but as you work down a run you can be fishing the bank side on the retrieve.. Ive got a lot of fish on the hangdown also.
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Just to clarify what you mean ... your approach of swimming the minnow in the shallows on a subset of casts isn't focused on provoking a take from a fish that followed the swing to shore, and instead is meant to cover the near shore with an alternate presentation? Interesting. What species?

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I wouldn't think it warrants changing line styles to target fish on the strip.
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