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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 04-28-2010, 10:27 AM
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T8 On Scandi Heads

Who else uses T8 on Scandi heads?

Short bellys? Mid bellys?

10' of T8 is just 80 grains. Great stuff! Sinks fast, turns over large flys, awesome in pocket water yet with out all the weight. Yet, here if you thumbed through threads you would think that straight Tung. tips are for Skagit only.

I carry it in 5', 7 1/2' and 10' for loop on to Scandi heads from little 5wt switch to modest 7wt spey. The 5' and 7 1/2' are great in pocket water with tungsten cone head flys. I like short lengths off single hand rods, WF-F lines, looped on for small streams, pockets etc. with wt'ed fast sink flys also.

Some would like T8 off a S1 Scandi head. Or a short 5' T8 off a S2/3 or 3/4 Scandi head.

I use it off Scandi's and friend does also. Who else?
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I throw 8-10' of type 8 on a scandi compact. Not sayin' it looks pretty, maybe something I'd rather not look at entirely, but it works. Mostly in yer neck of the woods and points east.
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Here's a set of 15' - 120 grain tips that I built last summer out of T-8 + sections of DT-8-F that can be used to replace 120 grain tips on any line system built to cast them. They work fine off of a floater belly DDC Connect 8/9 DH. They're based on the same concept as Skagit tips.

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One more T-8 example.

I built this line for really tight fishing conditions where typical heads would be cast with the running line loops in the guides. It's welded sections of running line, a piece of a 9/10 PT Hover and T-8. I could've looped the T-8 to make it interchangeable but decided against it. As there's no back end loops, (the orange running line is seamlessly welded to the back end of the Hover) the line can be cast with the back end in the guides and still get out 60' or so. I found that the guide-loop clunking with regular heads had an effect on accuracy when I was trying to slot a cast around some boulders or have it land at a precise distance.

I've tested the line with a really big, bushy 5" fly and it went out with no issue. Sustained anchor casts went very well.

Total head weight is 360 grains over 30' and I use it either on my 12' 6" or 13' 7" - 7/8 LeCies.

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10' of T-8 weighs less than a number of the poly leaders out there so no reason not to use it!!!
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What make/model of Scandi heads are you using? I can see how the agressive tapers of the Guideline heads would work. What about Rio's AFS? Others?

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I throw 8-10' of type 8 on a scandi compact. Not sayin' it looks pretty, maybe something I'd rather not look at entirely, but it works. Mostly in yer neck of the woods and points east.

Compact Scandi has rather a fine front tapes so the loops will never looks pretty.

On the other hand T-8 on PT 8/9 or T-10/11 to PT 9/10 works very well.
For packet water it makes sense to use floating head but for deeper penetration go with double or triple density PT sink heads.
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What make/model of Scandi heads are you using? I can see how the agressive tapers of the Guideline heads would work. What about Rio's AFS? Others?

Tom
Tom,

In lighter weights to mid grain weights(460 grain) with the Rio AFS I nip the tip back about 6'. On a 460 this puts you at approx. .060" tip diamter and subtracts 38-40 grains. On the 460 it then comfortably handles 10' of T8 , largest wt'ed tubes, longer 7.0 inch per second versa leaders etc with airborn anchor casts. Less or shorter for less grain heads more or longer for more grain heads cut back 6'. I do the same down to my 5wt switch. In regards to your other questions,statements. The Airflo standard Scandi line has the most robust / largest tip diameter out of the box per grain weight I have measured. Guess I would refer to that one as "agressive" personally. The 450 grain 7/8/9 comes out of the box with a .060"-.062" tip diameter. It's about as powerful as I have seen out of the box but, has standard old school longer body/belly ratio to front taper rather than triangle (less body/belly ratio as compared to tip). Personally, I prefer the triangle tapers (Rio AFS, Airflo Compact, Vision Ace ) modern,better,easier casting, tighter loops, power through taper-speed,lower swing speed in water, etc..........i just think they are the cats arse. Of the triangle heads, I would say the Airflo Compact is the most powerful but any can be tweaked and often are.

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10' of T-8 weighs less than a number of the poly leaders out there so no reason not to use it!!!

Bingo !!! yea.......it weighs less than a 7 inch per second x 10' versa spey leaders.

not as smooth but very doable on a float scandi head


edit - I weighed them on a grain scale. 9' of T8 weights the same as 10' x 7.0 versa spey. (actually versa spey a couple grains more than 9' T8 - so = 9 1/4-9 1/2')

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FWIW I'm talking a 360 gr Airflo Scandi compact 5/6 floater. Will cast T8 with some smaller (3" or less) varmint flies.
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"Compact Scandi has rather a fine front tapes so the loops will never looks pretty."

i use them all the time with t-8 up to 10'. on the 480 i have used 10' of t10. to me that's about the limit with a weighted fly. it's not just tip diameter that determines the amount of sinktip the line will turn, the nature and above all the steepness of the taper, i believe, plays a larger role than tip diameter.

you'll have to get Bill's opinion on my loop shapes.

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When Rio comes out with the MOW tips with T8, a lot of us will be using them

Two years ago, an excellent Shad Guide made me a 20' tip of T8 to use with my Z7136 when the wind died down, and I didn't need 14' of T14 to punch through the wind and still needed to go deep in a fast running river.

The river was running high and fast, and the 20' of T8 was able to get to the where the shad were pooled up near the end of the cast. The T8 became more effective than the T14 in strikes and hook ups and a lot easier to cast with my old damaged shoulders.

I prefer Rio's Fast Sink Versi Leaders with my shorter/lighter rods. SGS told me at Speyorama that he considered the Fast Sink Versi Leaders to be basically T8, and they get down fast in fast water.

When the MOW's are shipped, I have a set of the combo leaders in the T11 coming for my Death Star and Z7136 and a floating leader for Stripers and skating larger flies.

Later I will get a set of T8 MOW's for my Z6126 and Meiser 5/6 switch rod.

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To put T8 into perspective one can compare it to Rio Versa Spey leaders 7.0 inch per second. The 6’ x 7 i.p.s. Versa Spey leader weighs the same grain’s as 6’ of T8 and has the same sink rate.

These work well in pocket water in particular with switch rods and weighted flys to 10-15 grains. This set up is easily airborn cast with my little 5wt switch rod and a Scandi head of 275-300 grains. The Scandi head has to have enough power for such rather than ultimate finesse. A Rio AFS head cut back 6’ does the job nicely and turns it into a power AFS or short while still maintaining the smooth AFS characteristics. Small tungsten hour glass eyed buggers on sz. 6 2x long heavey wire hooks come in at 17grains total and sink fast. 1/2” brass bottle tubes come in at 12 grain range before the hook and nice leeches can be tied on such.
In typical 3’-4’ pocket water buckets the above gets down fast and works well.

Rio Versa Spey leader in 10’ x 7.0” ips weighs the same as 9’ of T8. I find this can be cast airborn on my 7wt switch with a 400 grain Scandi head. It’s on the line and depending on the fly at task is better with water born casts which is smooth and comfortable. However is very doable smooth comfortable on 12 ˝’-13’ 7wt spey rods with Scandi heads in the low 400’s to mid. Airborn anchor cast.

The similarities between Rio’s 7.0 inch per second Versa Spey leaders and T8 diminish beyond the 10’ series. This is because of more taper on the 15’ versa spey leaders and none on T8.

Personally when fishing pocket water with such. If casts are 80- 90 degrees across to down or cast quartered up. I feel at times a better connection to the fly through the sink drift phase with a Scandi head than a Skagit because of less mass. However the Scandi tip does not float as high (= gets deeper/faster with same) as the Skagit though the head in general is more mendable if such is desired. I do notice that the Skagit head will tend to drift/swing faster than the lower riding Scandi head until substantial weight (tips and fly) have been looped on to slow it down. Less so with tapered Skagits than non tapered. The verdict is still out for me in reality in regards to pocket water Scandi/Skagit “higher floating vs. better feel and slower swing” and obviously more than just that to factor in.

Just wanted to point out the similarities between T8 and Rio Versa Spey leader 7.0 inch per second in lengths of 10’ and under. I did also weigh these on a grain scale to confirm the weights listed on Rio site. They (versa 7.0 in 6’ & 10’) are nearly identical to T8 in all area’s when compared with up to 10’ of T8. The slight difference at 10’ is hardly worth mentioning.


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