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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 03-17-2009, 01:55 PM Thread Starter
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It has been almost 19 years since I got the first spey rod. I broke a spey rod for the first time 3 years ago. Since then, I have broken six more rods- not counting rods that are previously damaged or scratched by accident. I am very careful with rods, I do not overload them, most time I use midspey or WC lines. GLX- old moel 8/9 116 and 10/11 15foot were broken while landing salmon. Hardy salmon travel 10 15-4 was broken twice and 10 15-3 was broken once while casting. Two different C and D salar 10-15 6-4 were fractured while casting. I have not had any problems with Sage or Bruce and Walker or Bob Meiser' s rods yet. How can I avoid furhter fracturing the rods?- do you think casting technique matters, do you think rods get aged or worn out after many years use, does temperature affect rods, lastly rods from certain company breaks easier?
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post #2 of 13 (permalink) Old 03-17-2009, 01:58 PM
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In my limited experience

Hitting the rod with a weighted fly while casting will cause it to fail at some point.
post #3 of 13 (permalink) Old 03-17-2009, 02:00 PM
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Where are they breaking? Same spots or different places?

Are you taping and/or checking for loose ferrules every 30 minutes or so while casting?

I am not surprised to here you went so long without breaking a rod. IM6 and older graphite is way tougher stuff and seems to stand up to punishment better then the current high end graphite.

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post #4 of 13 (permalink) Old 03-17-2009, 02:21 PM Thread Starter
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I am using tape and wax. I am not talking about loose ferrules or previously damaged blanks causing breakage. Two cnd salar fractureed right above the handle. Hardy rods and GLX broke at different spots. I just have a hard time to figure it out. Until 3 years ago, rod breakage was somebody else' s problem.
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Not enough info

Without the details of each it's not possible to identify a pattern. There are so many possible causes and it's likely that a single cause is not responsible for all of them. One common error is to believe that the cause of breakage was at the moment of the break. While that can be true with catastrophic breaks such as car doors, the 'surprise' breaks have their roots in earlier time, and often relate to some kind of impact or overstress (leadhead fly, banging on gunwale or rock, high sticking or choking up when landing, etc.).

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It seems to me there is not much I can do differently other than praying.
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I've fished cnd rods quite a bit specifically the salar without having any problems.
What line are you fishing?
That rods a club in the lower quarter I'm surprised a cast can break it .
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have you been overheading or way overlining ?
materiel fatigue can cause even a tough rod to break at the taproot.

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How many rods do you have?

Most rods have a good warranty program, can't you send them back for a new one?

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post #10 of 13 (permalink) Old 03-23-2009, 03:43 PM Thread Starter
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I just sent the Hardy salmon rod to England. The shipping cost was 47 USD. Hopefully the Hardy does not charge me for anything- the last time they did not charge. The G.loomis charged me about 20 dollars- the best service. The Sage did me about 45 dollars, CND about 80 dollars, T&T charges whatever they want if you are not the original owner. Last time it took about 3 month to have the rod back from England.
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Carbon fiber "prepreg" does not gradually break but has a catastrophic failure mode. Each individual bundle or "tow" of carbon fiber has between 3,000 to 12,000 of more individual fibers. The fibers can be damaged in numerous ways during the impregnation or weaving process. If enough fibers get damaged in a certain area and when that area is placed under a high enough load, a major chain reaction takes place where the rod will fracture.

I can also state that during the recent aerospace boom, carbon fiber has been in very short supply. All of the good stuff went to the military and commercial aerospace accounts. I know for a fact that off grade prepreg that didn't meet military specs went to fishing rods and such. Now that the aerospace industry is slowing down, maybe the carbon fiber suppliers will start producing fiber with less defects.
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Thanks for the insight to the world of prepreg "seconds."
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post #13 of 13 (permalink) Old 03-24-2009, 12:42 AM
 
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I Have Had No Problems With My Guidline Le Cie 13 7 In 8/9 But I Tape And Take Great Care Of The Rod
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