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Wierd way to reduce overpowering with your upper right hand

For many of us right handers with the right hand high, we often tend to over power the cast with our upper right hand.

A couple of months ago during our really hot spell in July and when most of N California was on fire or could be, I went to a local small park to practice cast a switch rod on the grass.

I set up a Perry Poke and was casting a Skagit 350 with my Meiser 5/6 Switch rod.

As usual, I often overpowered the stroke with my right hand.

A truck pulls up, and a guy I had never seen, got out and stood by the truck and yelled at me to let go of my rod with my right hand death grip, and to cradle the rod with thefingers on my right hand as I neared the top of my stoke and released the shooting line held against the rod handle with my index finger and middle finger. You still cradle the rod with your open fingers and unclenched right hand

It took a couple of tries to get everything coordinated. Then, I stopped over powering the rod, the shooting line ran out correctly, I had some good loops and casts improved.

The guy hollered, "Now, you got it!", and he drove away. I still have no idea who he was.

Since then, I have used this system with that switch rod and other switch rods with Skagit lines, and the results have been good.

With my Z6126, the ASF 6/7, the Rio 15' Spey Versi Floating Leader, the results have even been better. I get good results with the double and single spey as well as with the Perry Poke. Another benefit, I have less operator error releasing the running/shooting line with my fingers holding the line against the rod.

I guess releasing the rod with my upper hand/fingers besides lessening the over powering forces a semi death grip on my lower left hand holding the expensive rod, reel and lines. Somehow it seems to work out on the grass, by a lake side and in a river.

I used to see Loops while casting only when I looked down at the Loop Reel on the rod. Most of the time now, I have reasonable line loops which unfold in a proper manner. Also, the belly of my line doesn't hit the water as much as before during my casts.

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right on, Dave!
sounds like you had a Speygod visitation. If that happens twice more you'll be canonized!
amazing how much better things are when you "let go", isn't it? Sometimes I have to tell myself out loud to ease up...eccentric but true.

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A voice from on high, huh?

Sounds pretty cool...

I just try to grip with the last three fingers of my right hand....Seems to be the best method for removing "right hand-itis" for me...

Think I got than from the Hazel's DVD...

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Actually,that method of attaining a light, guiding [rather than gripping] upper hold has been fairly commonly suggested,IMHO.

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Weird???

I started casting that way when fishing with Henrik M. Grip the rod with my little finger while keeping my index finger touching my thumb. That pinch point gives you a great way to get a death grip on the running line too.

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Anyone that hasn't viewed Henrik's casting style should. I posted some pictures on this site from the 07 Sandy Clave of him casting.My focus was on his hands [you are right,he only uses a couple of fingers top & bottom] and his quik stop and on the line disappearing from below the reel as the line continues out while the rod is stopped very high still. Very interesting caster! actually,just do a search for -----Beau sandy clave 07 photos---then click on page 3 and that post is 2nd down.It looks like his top grip is only the thumb and two fingers around the cork and the bottom is only the thumb and one finger.I also mention how he doesn't even come close to fully extending/straightening his right arm[the only way you can overpower with your upper hand!].I would stick the pictures here ,but ,don't know how to transfer them.

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There are about 4 of us using the long rods in Napa

There are about 4 of us using the long rods in Napa, and it wasn't Bob Pauli, Bill Malin, or the retired ortho doc nor anyone from our local fly fishing club.

Everytime I use that how to cast, I just smile and say to myself, "Who was that unmasked, Guy!?"

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right on, Dave!
sounds like you had a Speygod visitation. If that happens twice more you'll be canonized!
amazing how much better things are when you "let go", isn't it? Sometimes I have to tell myself out loud to ease up...eccentric but true.

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Well, the guy didn't have a beard like John nor did he scream at me.

I will have to check out John's DVD and see if he does something similiar. John is really good at breaking down complicated actions into easy to do steps. His single Spey how to is all most too easy.

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A voice from on high, huh?

Sounds pretty cool...

I just try to grip with the last three fingers of my right hand....Seems to be the best method for removing "right hand-itis" for me...

Think I got than from the Hazel's DVD...

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I don't remember the Letting go of the rod and just cradling it with your fingers

I remember the light guide/trip suggestions but not basically letting go of the rod with your high right hand. Of course, I can be rather dense and may not have heard the full how to.

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Actually,that method of attaining a light, guiding [rather than gripping] upper hold has been fairly commonly suggested,IMHO.

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I'm getting better at holding the running line with this grip

Are you holding the line between your thumb and index finger without gripping the rod with your thumb/index ? Or are you holding the rod lightly with your thumb/index finger with the death grip on the running line?

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I started casting that way when fishing with Henrik M. Grip the rod with my little finger while keeping my index finger touching my thumb. That pinch point gives you a great way to get a death grip on the running line too.

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Anyone that hasn't viewed Henrik's casting style should. I posted some pictures on this site from the 07 Sandy Clave of him casting.My focus was on his hands [you are right,he only uses a couple of fingers top & bottom] and his quik stop and on the line disappearing from below the reel as the line continues out while the rod is stopped very high still. Very interesting caster! actually,just do a search for -----Beau sandy clave 07 photos---then click on page 3 and that post is 2nd down.It looks like his top grip is only the thumb and two fingers around the cork and the bottom is only the thumb and one finger.I also mention how he doesn't even come close to fully extending/straightening his right arm[the only way you can overpower with your upper hand!].I would stick the pictures here ,but ,don't know how to transfer them.

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Thanks for the help Dave!

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Grampa,

Sounds to me like you may have been visited by one of Richard Brautigans' old fishing buddies: "Trout Fishing in America Charlie"

Very good to hear that Charlie has taken up the two handed rod.

Charlie's always been a pretty elusive character ...

... I've heard last seen around Scott's Bar on the Klamath chasing Half Pounders with Soft Hackles, and now I guess may be on Putah Creek ?

If this was Charlie <> You've been blessed with an extraordinary experiance ... };^) ... !!!

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Holding the running line against the cork with the middle two fingers of the upper hand. This leave onlly the thumb, index and pinky fingers holding the rod when you release the running line. You really can't get much of a "death grip" with that. There are times when not only the middle and ring finger, but the pinky as well opens up. Leaving only the thumb & index finger holding the rod.

In addition to holding the running line with the top hand, I also utilize the bottom hand. Holding the loops in much the same fashion. Basically, a thumb, index finger grip on the lower cork. Using the fingers to trap the line against the bottom of the cork. I think that's how I do it?????

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Have been using two fingers on the bottom and thumb on top as soon as I realized it released all right hand tension!
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