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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 02-03-2014, 09:05 AM Thread Starter
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Question Question about tube fly hooks

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I've decided to tie a lot of the new flies for my comming trip on tubes (large and small), but I'm not too familiar with what type of hook (single) to use.

We are talking about (hopefully ) steelhead from 10 pounds and up, so the hooks have to be sturdy.

I've been looking at the following hooks:

- Daiichi 1650
- Gamakatsu C14S Glo Bug (for smaller tubes)
- Gamakatsu B10 S Stinger
- Owner SSW Cutting point Straight Eye
- Adipos Egret hooks (own brand)


Feel free to comment my list and/or suggest other brands and models. Opinions, recommandations and experience will be appreciated.

What size hooks do you use for the different sizes of flies/tubes, e.g. 3 inch intruder??

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I'm really liking Gamakatsu drop shot/split shot #1. They're not as thick and sturdy as Owner SSW, but I recently landed a fish in the high teens with no problems. The Gamas are very sharp and easy to sharpen. I think lighter wire hooks catch more fish, but I thought the #2s were too small and thin. I wouldn't go below #1 on these.
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I started with TMC 105s. They worked well enough, but it seemed like there might be better options out there. A friend suggested the Owner SSWs and I never went back. I haven't tried most of the hooks in your list, but I imagine it would be tough to beat the SSW. Too bad they don't make them smaller than size 4. I have tried the Owner Flyliners, but I think they might be a bit too heavy duty. I doubt they'd ever open though, if that's a concern.

I use the Gamakatsu C14S for smaller tubes.

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I like the Egrets...

Hook size depends quite a bit on what you hope to catch. For steelhead and river-run salmon I usually use a good sprinkling of 1s and 2s, including Owner Fly Liner and SSWs. I bought some Egrets from the Canadian Tube Fly Company (same principals as Adipose) and I have been very pleased. They are a robust hook, extremely sharp, and CHEAP! The deep U bend hangs on to a fish well. A 3" tube fly, if it is all tube, is a mighty big fly, and an Egret 1 would be a good fit. Buff.
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straight eye hooks suitable for tube flies (alternatives to those mentioned above):

Mustad:

34007
77660 ss
9174
9175
92665

Partridge:

Z15
Z30

Tiemco:

105
800s

VMC:

7255

& the Carp Hooks: to name but a few....

Fox Kuro S3
Fox Armapoint SR
ESP Raptor T6
Nash Fang Gaper
Nash Fang Uni
Phoxinus Rapier


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and if you don't secure the eye of the hook into the rear of the tube or junction tubing, here's one method (stinger loop in your leader)

as used for my unweighted tubes (U-tubes):

http://www.speypages.com/speyclave/s...light=tube+set

Unweighted tube, nylon leader, hook, beads



Make a fig 8 loop in the nylon leader (for fishing, this is usually done after threading the nylon through the tube fly)



add beads



add hook to the loop, showing the nylon now through the tube fly, with the beads, loop and hook



Set up complete



Where you want the hook sitting not so far back, simply make the loop smaller as here



the two different sized loops




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I like the Gamakatsu B10S and also the 1/0 drop shot hook the best. I fish mostly tubes when swinging and these ones seem the stickiest to me. I fish the size 4 B10S for summer fish and smaller flies and the size 2 for big flies in the winter.

I've never had any of these hooks bend on a fish but I have managed to bend them pulling them off a snag. That's the great thing about tubes though, just throw another hook on and you're good to go.
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Loop stinger

Great Great show and tell? You hit the spot on this and while many know and use this technique many of us have said to ourselves "how do they do that"?

Thanks again!

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Like many on the board, I've tried a # of different hooks - many of those mentioned above. While I think the landing ratios will equal out over time, regardless of hook used (including traditional spey hooks), I feel most confident with Owner SSW's when using a tube fly. I vary between #2's and #4's.

I use Speyducer's method with beads in the back. Not only does it add color and profile to the fly, it does an excellent job of accepting the knot (perfection loop) into the bead. And no.... this doesn't mean we fish with beads! It's just an alternative to junction tubing. Depending on the season, you can adjust the length of the 'trail' by adding or subtracting beads.

Here's a couple pics... the 1st one is better. You can see the knot stays in the bead and the tube slides up during the battle -- one of the primary benefits of a tube.
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Thanks!

Hi guys

Thanks for the input on what hook(s) to choose.

I think I'll end up with the Owners and the Egrets from CTFC.

Also thanks to Speyducer for the SBS on how to tackle up.

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novice questions- so the beads act as a stopper at the back of the tube? why 2 beads?
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novice questions- so the beads act as a stopper at the back of the tube? why 2 beads?
No need to use 2 beads, but when you have a sparsely dressed tube, the bead or beads will show up when the fly is swinging, and if you pick yellow, orange, fluo red or chartreuse bead(s), these may act as an additional attractor at the rear of the tube


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Same as those above. However these two are my favorites. I get them in straight eye and upturned. I have confidence in both of them.

1. Owner SSW
2. Gamakatsu Octopus
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Owner SSW (using the bead/loop method on tube flies) with 10 landed for 12 hooked on a recent trip


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I prefer Guideline salmon doubles
but, where regulations require single barbless hooks, I use carp hooks with short shank and crushed barb
They are usually made from thick wire and can handle big fish
Owner has a lot of carp models
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