Follow up from Cascapedia thread, same forum , 2/23/12. Photo's below.
Can a Cascapedia owner confirm if this is the same drag system as the Hardy / SA (larger Salmon models - 8/9 & 10/11) version from late 90's?
The Hardy "AVCARB" drag? by the photo's.
The two reel's O.D. spec's are the exact same. The porting and other identical.
The S.A./Hardy has Type III / anodized "guide finish like the S-2000 does also and less spit shine,overall looks/class than the Cascapedia. The Cascapedia gains weight , grains on the S.A./Hardy vis the nice snake handle primarily. A common feature option for added weight and looks by bench reel makers.
I believe per memory the re-introduction of the Cascapedia was after the SA & Sovereign 2000. The S.A. Mastery was the last Hardy/Scientific Anglers built reel for S.A. after a decades long on/off mfg. for. I doubt it will ever be again with recent 3M/SA purchase of Ross but, who knows they purchased Charleton too and, unfortunately dissolved that. BTW- look at the very rare,hard to find SA System 3 and a Charelton, side by side some time
As noted prior. In the late 90's I had a couple conversation's with bruce Richard's of SA about the (at the time) new to be introduced Hardy/SA Mastery reel. Basically, it was Hardy's best,latest drag,modern engineering,guts,etc. at the time with a slight differant , less refine but super duarable (type III) finish/exterior.
Unfortunately for both Hardy & SA this was the time of the large arbor,lighter and lighter reduced grain weight's, space age porting look reel's mass appeal. Many anglers did not want traditional fly reel looks, they wanted a unique space ship
. They did not comprehend that outside diameter (pie x r squared) - circumferance equaled - line pick up speed (which was the go along big buzz) and that a 4" OD reel, same spool width, is a 4" OD reel , in terms of, just one holds/needs more backing to fill.
So, a really,really great engineered design by Hardy (available Hardy & SA) went down the tubes by not being L.A; weighing more as compared to the buzz at the time via full cage, amored type III deep anodized "guide finish" (ditto S-2000) tank like build and not having space age looks........
The other real bummer from this Hardy time frame that happened because of the classic reel looks during the L.A. space ship reel craze was this - Hardy intruduced the AVACARB / Carbon Fiber Disc Drag at a time when cork was IT. The ONLY other I am aware of that had this at that time, which used carbon fiber similar drag, was Jack Charelton's bench made reels. AVCARB - acronym for Aviation Carbon Fiber disc drag. Now ........15 years latter. Look around at the better U.S.A. reel manufactures noted for their L.A. reels and in particular their cork disc drags, such as Bauer and what do you see, on their top of the line only models = you got it, carbon fiber rather than cork!
I believe these Hardy reels, gut's engineering,size,porting all - spawned the re-itroduction of the Cascapedia. A combination of killer, classic , classy, time proven Hardy exterior looks, spit shine best with Hardy's engineering feats,guts, etc. their team accomplished in the late 90's that flopped during the L.A. / space ship reel craze of that time.
On the other thread (Cascapedia) their were questions about the drag. I purchased several Hardy/SA's in the late 90's - 2000. I HAVE FISHED THE CRAP OUT OF THEM, nearly exclusively sense. Besides typical Hardy, simple maine.adjustments such as where the back spool plate springs kick down and retain the clogs, which engage the drag hand tweaks every so many years, a drop of oil on the spindle, spot of grease to the bearings, I have done nothing and had zero problems ever. The type III anodized "guide finish" hardly has a mark despite tons of trip's to the rocks. The reel & drag is outstanding, best I have ever seen in sub freeze weather. Which I notice those Cascapedia users like Ard here, whom live in Alaska,say the exact same about.
Hardy Cascapedia Re-Intro
Hardy / S.A. Mastery
engraved badge .....Type III deep anodized matte "guide finish" ....... Wolf in Sheep Clothing
......same exact O.D; same exact porting,etc.
Link to other thread - stated I would post pics when I get time.http://speypages.com/speyclave/showthread.php?t=56026
galallama -" Cascapedia similar in design to a reasonably priced pfluger Trion"
better look again
The proofs in the pudding as they say.......
Note- The S.A. Mastery badged Hardy early models came with wood handle. Latter, like the Hardy Soverign 2000 they came with paddle handles for increased high speed reeling, ergonomics,etc. The S.A. Mastery badged version was about a 4 - 5 year run per memory in the late 90's. The flop off this great real and even greater value $$$ was the large arbor,space ship ported time frame which it entered at exactly the wrong time..........along with a couple other Hardy's of that time. The combination , investments, etc. plus experience by Hardy I believe spawned the winning Cascapedia re-intro. Taking in some modern learned,engineered and some proven old school. I believe a little what Abel is attempting now yet, opposite direction from Hardy's path
and is interesting to watch. Abel, another very fine reel manufacture no doubt.