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Follow up from Cascapedia thread, same forum , 2/23/12. Photo's below.

Can a Cascapedia owner confirm if this is the same drag system as the Hardy / SA (larger Salmon models - 8/9 & 10/11) version from late 90's? The Hardy "AVCARB" drag? by the photo's.

The two reel's O.D. spec's are the exact same. The porting and other identical.
The S.A./Hardy has Type III / anodized "guide finish like the S-2000 does also and less spit shine,overall looks/class than the Cascapedia. The Cascapedia gains weight , grains on the S.A./Hardy vis the nice snake handle primarily. A common feature option for added weight and looks by bench reel makers.

I believe per memory the re-introduction of the Cascapedia was after the SA & Sovereign 2000. The S.A. Mastery was the last Hardy/Scientific Anglers built reel for S.A. after a decades long on/off mfg. for. I doubt it will ever be again with recent 3M/SA purchase of Ross but, who knows they purchased Charleton too and, unfortunately dissolved that. BTW- look at the very rare,hard to find SA System 3 and a Charelton, side by side some time

As noted prior. In the late 90's I had a couple conversation's with bruce Richard's of SA about the (at the time) new to be introduced Hardy/SA Mastery reel. Basically, it was Hardy's best,latest drag,modern engineering,guts,etc. at the time with a slight differant , less refine but super duarable (type III) finish/exterior.

Unfortunately for both Hardy & SA this was the time of the large arbor,lighter and lighter reduced grain weight's, space age porting look reel's mass appeal. Many anglers did not want traditional fly reel looks, they wanted a unique space ship . They did not comprehend that outside diameter (pie x r squared) - circumferance equaled - line pick up speed (which was the go along big buzz) and that a 4" OD reel, same spool width, is a 4" OD reel , in terms of, just one holds/needs more backing to fill.
So, a really,really great engineered design by Hardy (available Hardy & SA) went down the tubes by not being L.A; weighing more as compared to the buzz at the time via full cage, amored type III deep anodized "guide finish" (ditto S-2000) tank like build and not having space age looks........
The other real bummer from this Hardy time frame that happened because of the classic reel looks during the L.A. space ship reel craze was this - Hardy intruduced the AVACARB / Carbon Fiber Disc Drag at a time when cork was IT. The ONLY other I am aware of that had this at that time, which used carbon fiber similar drag, was Jack Charelton's bench made reels. AVCARB - acronym for Aviation Carbon Fiber disc drag. Now ........15 years latter. Look around at the better U.S.A. reel manufactures noted for their L.A. reels and in particular their cork disc drags, such as Bauer and what do you see, on their top of the line only models = you got it, carbon fiber rather than cork!

I believe these Hardy reels, gut's engineering,size,porting all - spawned the re-itroduction of the Cascapedia. A combination of killer, classic , classy, time proven Hardy exterior looks, spit shine best with Hardy's engineering feats,guts, etc. their team accomplished in the late 90's that flopped during the L.A. / space ship reel craze of that time.

On the other thread (Cascapedia) their were questions about the drag. I purchased several Hardy/SA's in the late 90's - 2000. I HAVE FISHED THE CRAP OUT OF THEM, nearly exclusively sense. Besides typical Hardy, simple maine.adjustments such as where the back spool plate springs kick down and retain the clogs, which engage the drag hand tweaks every so many years, a drop of oil on the spindle, spot of grease to the bearings, I have done nothing and had zero problems ever. The type III anodized "guide finish" hardly has a mark despite tons of trip's to the rocks. The reel & drag is outstanding, best I have ever seen in sub freeze weather. Which I notice those Cascapedia users like Ard here, whom live in Alaska,say the exact same about.



Hardy Cascapedia Re-Intro


Hardy / S.A. Mastery engraved badge .....Type III deep anodized matte "guide finish" ....... Wolf in Sheep Clothing......same exact O.D; same exact porting,etc.





Link to other thread - stated I would post pics when I get time.http://speypages.com/speyclave/showthread.php?t=56026
galallama -" Cascapedia similar in design to a reasonably priced pfluger Trion" better look again The proofs in the pudding as they say.......

Note- The S.A. Mastery badged Hardy early models came with wood handle. Latter, like the Hardy Soverign 2000 they came with paddle handles for increased high speed reeling, ergonomics,etc. The S.A. Mastery badged version was about a 4 - 5 year run per memory in the late 90's. The flop off this great real and even greater value $$$ was the large arbor,space ship ported time frame which it entered at exactly the wrong time..........along with a couple other Hardy's of that time. The combination , investments, etc. plus experience by Hardy I believe spawned the winning Cascapedia re-intro. Taking in some modern learned,engineered and some proven old school. I believe a little what Abel is attempting now yet, opposite direction from Hardy's path and is interesting to watch. Abel, another very fine reel manufacture no doubt.

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Take a look at the Hardy MLA series, these had the same drag system as the Mastery series [or at least damn close to it] but were of a large [mid?] arbour design.
Excellant reels actually, my fishing pal has two of them & really rates them.

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I'm not sure what the question is here and so I should probably shut up. But I would like to say I have a Cascapedia Mk II 10/11 made in Korea. You could fish tuna with this thing. Any more than two or three clicks into the drag and you can hardly pull line off by hand. I've often wondered why they would make a reel with a drag that strong. I know I'm off topic, sorry.
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I use a Mk II 8/9 built in England, the drag pictured is not the same as the system in my Cascapedia reel. If this topic stays alive and no one else posts pictures of a drag I'll take mine apart and photo it.

Leo,

I use the 8/9 for salmon & steelhead fishing, generally I have to go to the 6th or 7th index click to subdue large fish in swift water. Mine gets rather tight if you go higher but I have found it just about perfect for landing large fish on 15 pound leaders. I'm not a guy who enjoys long protracted battles with a fish so when I realized the strength of this reel I was grateful for them. I've adopted the perspective of; the longer you play with a fish, the more likely you are to lose the fish. of course I also learned that hurrying in a strong one often results in the hook pulling lose due to the pressure on the connective tissue it is lodged into. I met in the middle, drag that'll stop a tuna is cool with me

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Leo - Appreciate the thought but, Ard answered my question on the drag. BTW- mine is hardly enganged beyound free spool at 3 clicks as compared. 180 rotation puts me at just a good line check drag. It has a very high range/micro adjust.

Tyke- Your right and I forgot about that fine,sweet looking one. It also has the AVCARB drag like the SA Mastery and the Hardy S-2000. I would call it mid arbor fwiw.

Ard/Hardyreels - How you doing Ard? Good I hope. Doing a bit of tying lately? Love seeing your aurora,moose,etc. pics recently. Thanks for the answer. Have not been able to get my hands on one to see. Many other similar spec's, considering time frame,fine reviews,etc. I suspected it was the AVCARB drag also.
When you get time I would love to see a guts photo and appreciate your thoughts.
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I have two of the SA Mastery/Hardy reels, both 10/11's/ One hs the wood handle, the other the paddle handle.

Great reels. Currently retired in favor of my 1535's. Probably will sell one soon.

Anyway....I can't answer your question. But I like the Mastery reels.

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