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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 12-03-2019, 11:55 AM Thread Starter
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Nextcast Zone 25.2' 575 GRN Inquiry

Just a quick question, in searching through the website, it seemed most conversation was in regards to the Steelhead Finder and not the shorter Zone.

I am interested in the 25.2' 575 GRN ZONE line in the F, F1 and 13 Sink Configurations, was curious about sink tips, how does it handle say 10' - 12' of T-11 or T-14 with lightly or unweighted flies?

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I ran a Zone 550 F1 on a Burkie 8134 for several years and it loved T11 and it could handle T14, but it wasn't as smooth. I found the T14 caused it to bog down a bit and heavy flies didn't help. The Zone excels as a short powerful scandi. I've dropped to Coastals for T14 and heavy flies.

My usual caveat: A better caster than I would be able to get more out of the Zone, and I'm sure the 575 would carry more weight.

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I ran a Zone 550 F1 on a Burkie 8134 for several years and it loved T11 and it could handle T14, but it wasn't as smooth. I found the T14 caused it to bog down a bit and heavy flies didn't help. The Zone excels as a short powerful scandi. I've dropped to Coastals for T14 and heavy flies.

My usual caveat: A better caster than I would be able to get more out of the Zone, and I'm sure the 575 would carry more weight.

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Keep in mind that all Zones are made from the stock line , by cutting a leveled rear floating section. The entire front taper, including F1 and part of tapered F section are the same regardless of a total head weight. Sure a heavier head has more mass, by you are are still dealing with the same mass in the front.

A better solution is to use a lighter head which allows to generate a higher line speed, which is a bigger factor than overall mass.
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Keep in mind that all Zones are made from the stock line , by cutting a leveled rear floating section. The entire front taper, including F1 and part of tapered F section are the same regardless of a total head weight. Sure a heavier head has more mass, by you are are still dealing with the same mass in the front.



A better solution is to use a lighter head which allows to generate a higher line speed, which is a bigger factor than overall mass.
Interesting, I'll start looking at it that way. I knew they were level in the back end but figured heavier would stil assist in turnover. Guess I've gotta reexamine. Thanks Bolen

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I fish a 570 on an 8134, and think of it the same was Salty does- a power scandi. I fish a float and a fI, with 14ft airflow tips. preferring this to the t material. Agree also the t11 is fine, but the 14 dogs the whole rig down, and the Coastal is the way to move heavier tips.

Salty, i've got a 370 Zone on a 5 wt, and it will still though t11, though I prefer 8.
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I use 10 foot Rio replacement tips on a F1 575 Zone. They are listed as 8 weight, which I believe is ninety grains. For some reason they only make the type 8 tip in the 15’ length. The shop I bought the tips from chopped 5’ off the back of the type 8 tip and put a loop on for me, so I have a set of all 10’ tips. This system has worked well for me. On a trip to BC last fall I mainly used the type 3 and 6 tips with unweighted flies.
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T-11 works well, but I find that going just slightly lighter at 10 grains/ft turns over better on longer casts, as the line loses steam.

For that I like T-10 (Airflo) or RIO 9 wt tips in any sink rate, cut to desired length. The back thick end of RIO 9 wt tips weighs ~ 10 gr/ft.
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Sounds great! I mostly use T-10/T-11 anyway and if I need to go deeper, I can just use a faster sinking head.

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T-11 works well, but I find that going just slightly lighter at 10 grains/ft turns over better on longer casts, as the line loses steam.

For that I like T-10 (Airflo) or RIO 9 wt tips in any sink rate, cut to desired length. The back thick end of RIO 9 wt tips weighs ~ 10 gr/ft.
Rio has also 10' tips : wt.8 ca. 80 gr and wt.9 ca. 90-95 gr

It appears that 10' wt.8 is made by pruning 15' wt.9 from the back to get 80-85 gr range. While 10' wt.9 is made form 15' wt.10.

If someone has 15' tip , then cut it. If not, 10' is slightly less expensive.
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the skinny front end of “density compensated tips” is mostly just the neutrally buoyant core with very little tungsten ... no sinky so good. All my tip trims remove the skinny front end. This leaves a more powerful cut end for big fly turnover, and also sinks faster, and usually retains just enough taper (cutting 15’ to 12’) to still have smooth turnover with smaller flies.
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When targeting winter fish in PNW with a very !! large flies, sure cutting a fine front make sense. But on Skeena in August/September, for example, 10 or 15 foot type 3, with 2 feet of taper front, 30-35" of 20 lb flouro tippet and lightly weighted fly ( like 0.6-0.8 gram plus 0.3 g trailing #1 Owner SSW) is perfect.

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Water temp is typically in 50-60F range and fish holds in 2 - 4 foot water max. Actually Head like F-H-I with flour0 leader is probably more universal. Zone F1 or SF 45 + 10' type 3 for a larger fly with an extra amount of Flashabou when water gets dirty, or Rio Scandi body with 15' tip. .
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zones with 12' new airflo 12' t11 tips works great and bombs it way out there..i hate t14 so don't use it but would go with a coastal or a normal skagit as they half the price if i did...

i fish the zones and steelhead finders and tend to prefer the 14' old airflo type 3 and 6 tips...i wish i could find them still (i have the blue 95g and yellow? 109g ones) I have fished the type 3 mostly and find that with a slightly longer head (wa 45 or55) my fly takes longer to swing in and is in the zone better then shorter heavier tips...take that for what it's worth but on bulkley, morrice etc. i only used type 3...and that is pretty much same on Skagit for me down here...(spell check is killing me so if i murdered any names i'm blaming it on that and neuropathy )
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and tend to prefer the 14' old airflo type 3 and 6 tips...i wish i could find them still (i have the blue 95g and yellow? 109g ones)

Rio has 15' 108 gr and 95 gr tip. If you need 14', just prune 15' ( 108 gr) from the back to yield 14' @ 100 gr
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