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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 11-30-2019, 11:30 AM Thread Starter
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Line suggestion cnd solstice 13ft 6/7/8

Hi guys looking to replace my line in my solstice ... currently have a rioskagit system.. I am not in love with it but I do love the rod, I have a hard rime turning over the 13 ft tips on it, any suggestions?
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That is a fantastic rod you have there, a true gem
What are you casting now with the stick ?? You mention a Skagit head ... about 500 grains ?? What tips are you matching with the head ??


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500 grain rio skagit system it’s about 4 years old , the tips are all 12 foot with different sink rates to match the head ...
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Sometimes turnover is more of a technique thing than a tackle thing.
The Solstice series rods are very moderate action and ask the caster to keep things calm and relaxed. To much gas and you could run into issues with various things, one of them would be turnover. Have you tried using more bottom hand and introducing your top hand to your ear ??
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- a high top hand on the forward stroke - in line with your ear.
- pull up on you bottom hand and have your top hand act more like a pivot than a "push"
- stop the rod high and hard (abrupt) at that 1 o'clock position

There are others here that are more pro-efficient at casting than myself here, hopefully they'll chime in for more casting tips

The line that you have should be about perfect for that rod, depends on your casting preference though. At 500 grains, it should be digging in to the rod for sure. You can lighten the load a bit by dropping down a size, but it might not be the "fix".
I liked a 435 grain Steelhead Scandi on that rod as well as a CND 6/7 GPS (mid-belly). If you want a longer line, I know the Snowbee 8/9 1D Spey Line was brilliant on that rod (51ft @ 555grains).


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My CND Solstice 13' 4" is my year 'round every day "go to" Spey rod. Saying I love it is an understatement. For a floater I fish an older Orvis (made by SA) short belly (~ 50 or 52'). For sunk fly fishing I prefer an old style "beer can" 450 gr RIO Skagit head that is 27' long. I used 15' type III and VI sink tips, sometimes with conehead or dumbell eyes, but most often unweighted flies.

I don't know which RIO Skagit head you have, but 500 gr seems like plenty of mass to turn over sink tips and flies. I think you have a nice set up. Maybe some advice from a casting instructor would help more than changing some of your gear.
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Everything else I have is sage and is fast action, I think your right cause when my cast is on the solstice is amazing , I just need to change my line cause my current line is old and was looking for suggestions ..
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Think about how and where you fish. I think the most important question is how big must the fly be, is it weighted, and where will it need to be presented in the water column? After that it's a mater of taste. All the line manufactures make fantastic lines. If you need to sink it than a Skagit would be the choice. I prefer a longer Skagit but ..... If you can fish the top than something more Scandi.


I hope this helps.
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Get an 480-510 Airflo compact Skagit, or a Next cast Zone. Both are thousand times better than RIO. Your local fly shop should have demo lines to try to find what you like.
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On mine, the best Skagit-like heads have been 525-550 grains. The best was a discontinued Airflo 8/9 Skagit Northwest, 530 grains.
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On mine, the best Skagit-like heads have been 525-550 grains. The best was a discontinued Airflo 8/9 Skagit Northwest, 530 grains.
I loved those as well ... still have a "like new" 650 grain I use for my 15ft Meiser
The old CND Skagits were very nice as well ...

Whether James intended it or not, I line my Gaelforce EEMT's more on the Skagit side of the spectrum.
I will say they are the smoothest "Skagitity" set-ups I have ever cast


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You should try the John Norris Ni1 range of lines. Available from the UK at John Norris, they will go better and further than a Rio AFS, and are more user friendly than a skagit. At only 19.99, they're a steal, even with the inevitable taxes you'll be charged
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Years ago, when I was fairly green at this game, I had recently purchased a 13' 6/7/8 CND Black Spey. I started out with an Ace/Vision 450 gr Scandi head coupled to Rio 15ft 95 gr type III & VI sink tips. I had previously used A Rio 450gr "beer can" Skagit line with those tips on a 12ft 7/8 rod with a modicum of success. I was having a hard time with the Black Spey rod, but since I had paid a lot of money for it, I was determined to unlock the code & make it work. Part of the frustration was due to the fact that not only had I learned to cast long belly lines, I was also wanting to move to intruder type flies.

People on the forum were starting to talk about Al Buhr's book on cutting & splicing fly lines, so I bought the book & began to accumulate bargain lines to cut & splice. Al's book has all the information, the why's, the formulas, everything, to build a line that will work, but it takes a while to soak it all in. After building several lines that worked fairly well, just about the time I was starting to get it all together, Tim Rajeff developed the Airflo Skagit Compact series heads.

When I had the opportunity to try several Skagit Compact heads of various grain weights, coupled to different sink tips of varying grain weights, always tossing the same "truder" fly, things started coming together on that rod. What seemed to work best for me was the 540 gr head coupled to the Rio (10 wt) 150 gr type 8 sink tip.

Having also tried the 510, 570, even the 600gr heads, coupled to various lengths of T-14, I have settled on the 540gr head & T-14 for casting weighted "truders" on that rod. As the water conditions or the fly changes, I can forgo the T-14 for regular "type" tips, and/or decrease the grains and go to more of a Scandi type head. That Black Spey has become my go to rod.

The sustained anchor cast is a completely different technique than the long line cast. The Skagit cast is not quite the same as the Scandi cast. Concentrate on one type cast & a setup maximizing that style.
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I have the 13' black spey as well, but like a 510 compact with 12' of T11 or T8. I was about to start a blog(yrs ago when I was guiding) and call it the Curse of the Black Spey, I lost something like the first 15 fish hooked on that rod, haha. It has redeemed itself since that time, truly a fun, full flexing supper light rod that is really a 6wt.

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Everyone is missing the obvious answer on the perfect match for this rod...a CND GPS of course!? This 13'4" Solstice was the first spey rod I ever owned. Not knowing how to cast properly I blamed the rod for my lack of technique and sold it. Would be fun to try it now with a 6/7 or 7/8 GPS.
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Everyone is missing the obvious answer on the perfect match for this rod...a CND GPS of course!? This 13'4" Solstice was the first spey rod I ever owned. Not knowing how to cast properly I blamed the rod for my lack of technique and sold it. Would be fun to try it now with a 6/7 or 7/8 GPS.
Yup, my first line on that rod too
I gravitated back to shooting heads since I really wasn't efficient with traditional belly lines. However it was a salmon trip out east that helped me appreciate the longer line. I enjoyed that combination with the GPS for a while after that trip. I sold it all off about a year later ... I regret that decision.


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