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I have a MHX 13’6” 8wt that I’m just finishing building. I have a couple skagit lines for my two 11’ rods I’ve built wondering if I should go with a skagit or scandi for this latest rod. Any advice?
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Apples and oranges. Two lines/heads for two different purposes. Scandi for delicate lighter weight presentations and the skagit for payload. You need to decide how your going to use the rod. Get both.

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You can use 15ft to 20ft mono leader on short Skagit belly/tip and cast it like a Scandi. Line loop does not come as smooth because there is bigger weight change inside the head but it does its job.

Also Scandi head using short leader delivers fly as well as the same weight Skagit head and behaves smoother.

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You can use 15ft to 20ft mono leader on short Skagit belly/tip and cast it like a Scandi. Line loop does not come as smooth because there is bigger weight change inside the head but it does its job.

Also Scandi head using short leader delivers fly as well as the same weight Skagit head and behaves smoother.

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Yes of course you could adapt one line to function "similar" to the other if confronted with an unexpected situation but you certainly would not loop on a scandi head to fish a high, nearly blown dirty river. Likely you would choose a skagit and sink tip. Same if you were wanting to skate a dry fly, a scandi would be a better choice. I'm sure there will be opinions either way.

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Dan, here in Scandinavia has been sold many kind of shooting heads by Vision, Guideline, Loop already at least 20 years which did cast smoother than early Skagit "beer bottle" tapers and most cast still smoother than current Skagit bellys which behave better when they are tapered better.

Most (Scandi) shooting head tips are lighter than T11 and some lighter than T8 but after a while the line gets heavier than T11 but when approaching rear the weight increase much smoother than any Skagit line where biggesr weight change comes just around the loop to loop. I understand that eaviest Skagit bellys are heavier than any other floating line material and naturally building the head around them or using sections of them works with big flyes which are not very common here.

I see that the biggest difference between typical Skagit and typical Scandi is the leader lengt! And when head weight match fly size in the first place and casting distance second it does not matter much what the head is called. Naturally line head length has big influence to casting distance and the leader is part of line so changing to longer leader often is easiest method to increase fishing range.

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Yes of course you could adapt one line to function "similar" to the other if confronted with an unexpected situation but you certainly would not loop on a scandi head to fish a high, nearly blown dirty river. Likely you would choose a skagit and sink tip. Same if you were wanting to skate a dry fly, a scandi would be a better choice. I'm sure there will be opinions either way.

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Dan when I need to fish even more demanding conditions I use heads made from these 30ft 1000gr

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Yes of course you could adapt one line to function "similar" to the other if confronted with an unexpected situation but you certainly would not loop on a scandi head to fish a high, nearly blown dirty river. Likely you would choose a skagit and sink tip. Same if you were wanting to skate a dry fly, a scandi would be a better choice. I'm sure there will be opinions either way.

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Actually, I would choose a Scandi.
For high, dirty water here at home, I usually choose a either my 14ft 8/9 or my 15ft 9/10 rod.
I pair either of those rods with an aggressive, full sink Scandi, like a Guideline DDC, a SGS Scandoid, SGS Skandit or a Guideline PT or 3D. The latter two, I usually chop about 3ft off the tip and re-loop for maximum payload. All portions of the line is sinking, bellies are usually intermediate or S2, tips range in the higher densities.
The aggressive scandi heads can easily deliver anything that I carry in my wallets. Personally, I have cast a 35mm Waddington shank dressed with arctic fox tail on fore and aft in the "round" style, so that's a bulky fly. I can cast this set-up all day long and not get tired.


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I completely agree with both of you guys. Actually I very rarely ever use a skagit head myself. Not unlike yourselves I have certain lines I use for certain situations and none of them are skagit heads. My go to's are longish lines with/out sinking tips or interchangeable tips. I don't own any full sink lines right now but I do mix and match a few systems I do have to adapt to situations. My answer was intended to be simple black and white, as the question was asked. I think the discussion would be endless to ask what you use when and where. Another extension of that would be custom cut stuff like yours Bender. Mike is another issue. I warned him once that I was going to back my truck up to his man cave and lighten his load but his response was......(I can't repeat it here).

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Dan, never mind what I said

One line you must try is the Gaelforce EMT and the EEMT .... see how bad my addiction is, I talked about one and offered up two
I pair these up with as many of my rods as possible. They are a longer belly option and carry just as much payload as a stout skagit, but with finesse.
As my techniques and preferences evolve, I enjoy the longer options more and more.
And then there are the Gaelforce 15m Extended Heads ....


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Dan, never mind what I said

One line you must try is the Gaelforce EMT and the EEMT .... see how bad my addiction is, I talked about one and offered up two
I pair these up with as many of my rods as possible. They are a longer belly option and carry just as much payload as a stout skagit, but with finesse.
As my techniques and preferences evolve, I enjoy the longer options more and more.
And then there are the Gaelforce 15m Extended Heads ....


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Your too much Mike! I would love to give any of those a cast if I could get my hands on one.

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I have a MHX 13’6” 8wt that I’m just finishing building. I have a couple skagit lines for my two 11’ rods I’ve built wondering if I should go with a skagit or scandi for this latest rod. Any advice?
Would you happen to know the grain window on this rod ?? Or possibly another line recommendation to give a grain weight ??
Where are you located ??
What's the river like where you intend to fish ?? Small, medium or large river ?? How deep are you intending to fish ??
Are you wanting to fish large, heavy flies deep ?? Or fishing small to medium size flies far-off ??
Any line can do almost anything you want, just some are easier than others.
There are certain factors that come in to play when trying to recommend a line as well.
So a little more info would help


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According to MHX they start with rio lines skagit 525-600, scandi 480-510 and overhead 10. Fishing either the Fraser if it ever opens again and or Thompson in BC maybe some rivers on Vancouver island if I can manage to find a nice river for this rod anyway.
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Based solely on grain ratings that you have given, I would say the Gaelforce EEMT 8/9 would be an excellent candidate for you.
I would go as far as wanting to try the #9 15M Extended Spey Head on that rod.


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Since you just built the rod yourself you are obviously not a person that goes for simplicity or short cuts. Therefore “all of the above” is the correct answer.
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I'd start with the size and type of fly you want to cast. just as s general rule, small to large traditional flies, scandi. Intruders and tubes and really big stuff, skagit.

Can be different approaches to casting, and to a large degree it depends on your personal preference- meaning whichever you find the most fun.
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