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"Scandiod"

Can anyone offer up the definition of "Scandoid" and how the scandoid falls within the dh world. Curious to read some thoughts on this. Thank you

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I’m the king of typos myself, and the Apple super-opinionated spellcheck does the rest for me, but I think you probably meant “Scandoid”.

If so, I guess the first thing to know is that it is a name Steve Godshall has for a type of line he developed and sells. So I think it is just a product name, and am pretty sure it’s not a general term. I’m sure the latter could become a thing over time (or is it the other way around?), but I’ve never heard it used that way. Someone please edumacate me if I’m wrong about that.

I’m guessing I have at least a couple dozen of his lines by now, and many of his variations on scandi lines, but nothing explicitly labeled by him as a “scandoid”. I have several of his “BC scandi” heads and I vaguely remember hearing they were similar to those. So I’d like to hear what Scandoids are actually like as well since I’ve never seen one or heard Steve talk about them but people mention them often. Honestly I clicked on this thread hoping to finally learn.
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I have one of his ďScandoidĒ lines. He described it to me as angressive version of his Scandi taper. I have it on my Meiser
2H12635C in 340 grains. It performs similar to the Rage but allows a bit more finesse. If you call him Iím certain he would be happy to answer any questions you have. Personally, I really like the line.
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I have one of his “Scandoid” lines. He described it to me as angressive version of his Scandi taper. I have it on my Meiser
2H12635C in 340 grains. It performs similar to the Rage but allows a bit more finesse. If you call him I’m certain he would be happy to answer any questions you have. Personally, I really like the line.

Is it explicitly designed to use tips like the BC scandi, or a full line that you would only use very light tip or a tapered mono leader? If the latter I wonder if the “BC ” is just a “Scandoid” cut for heavier tips.

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It is a business term to convict you need one!

Spey heads have three features which effect. Obvious length and weight which are easy to measure and very important to measure because they can vary a lot.

But the weight distribution between rear and front half is what has huge effect to Spey. More rear weight (70...75%) makes Spey casting easier and improves line shooting. Less rear weight (65...60%) improves fly "turn". Weight Balance is also quite easy to measure doubling the line to find middle point and putting small piece of masking tape. Then coiling both halfs and independently put to a cup on scale holding middle mark horizontal three inches out of cup holding the rest of line six inches out and then scale "sees" middle point accurately enough.

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I think that the Airflo Rage Compact is functionally a scandoid; so are the Rio In Touch Switch and Switch Chucker.

We can have a floating line that has a thin, low-impact tip, or a shorter, more muscular tip that carries some weight and resists some wind... but not the same line.

For fun and education, if you have a beater of a floating line, experiment with it by trimming back the tip in several stages, measuring the tip diameter of each stage, and casting big, bulky/heavy flies with each stage. I've found that a tip around .055-.057" will turn over medium wet flies, and a tip over .060" will launch most anything.
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Are we talking about the 44 foot Super Scandi with integrated running line? I have a bunch of them and use on all my rods.

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Are we talking about the 44 foot Super Scandi with integrated running line? I have a bunch of them and use on all my rods.
Iím guessing those are on the other, longest end of the spectrum of his scandis. Itís probably hard to come up with names when he makes them of of virtually all lengths.

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I have "Skandit" heads, "Scandoid" heads and "BC Scandi" heads from Steve. It's my understanding from Steve, these are names coined by him for his lines, not for use in the industry to describe a type of head.
All in "head only", multi-tip versions and in both floating and intermediate to match my Meiser rods. They are all brilliant. The heads range from as short as 28ft for my 11'7" Highlander to 48ft for my 16ft Highlander-CX.
The "Skandit" head would be considered a Skagit head with a tip included. The included "matched" tip would be well within the payload window of the belly and allow the caster to perform "touch and go" style casting often recognized as Scandinavian style casting. The caster can even use polys right off the matched tip ... doesn't this sound familiar Take the tip off and add a heavier grain tip and the caster can then switch to a sustained anchor style casting and dig into the payload carrying capabilities of the belly.

I would say the "Rage" head is more like the "Skandit".


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[QUOTE=GR8LAKES FLYER



I would say the "Rage" head is more like the "Skandit".



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OK, Skandit = skagit with integrated tip = RAGE - unfortunately there isnít a character for ďapproximately equalĒ but that is what I mean. Got that.

I guess Scandoid is somewhere on the spectrum between there and a scandi, but shorter and more aggressive than a typical scandi. Have to admit it makes my head hurt a bit, but I guess it is an occupational hazard of dealing with lines made in so many different gradations. Just another reason why Steves lines are such an amazing resource - a commercial company would never get away with providing such fine-grain choice.

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Maybe the source will add....

Hopefully someone will contact Mr. Godshall and he will explain here. I have never spoken with him nor seen any of his lines, but Iím a big fan of Bob Meiserís rods, so itís probably just a matter of time before Iím hooked. Iím about to drop the dime on an MKX after testing. Iím interested in the word on these lines.
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Hopefully someone will contact Mr. Godshall and he will explain here. I have never spoken with him nor seen any of his lines, but Iím a big fan of Bob Meiserís rods, so itís probably just a matter of time before Iím hooked. Iím about to drop the dime on an MKX after testing. Iím interested in the word on these lines.
If you purchase a "Custom" rod package from Bob Meiser, he includes a custom tailored shooting head with it. That will be one of Steve's heads (SGS Scandoid, SGS BC-Scandi, etc.)
Steve is in the same building as Bob ... both are always within ear-shot of each other.


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unfortunately there isn’t a character for “approximately equal” but that is what I mean. Got that.
The tilde "~" is usually used to type "about" or "approximately". Also has other uses beyond the scope of this discussion.

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The tilde "~" is usually used to type "about" or "approximately". Also has other uses beyond the scope of this discussion.

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I was actually thinking the of the one I usually use symbolically which is an equal sign with a tilde as the top line, or “\simeq” in LaTex be precise. But yeah, the tilde is sometimes used that way, even by me. But normally I only use the tilde (\sim) for quantities, such as “that skagit head weighs ~450 grains”. Glad we cleared that important point up. (only because there is no official sarcasm smiley)

I believe that the appearance of LaTex symbol commands on a fishing website is one of the signs of the apocalypse, so now may be a good time for everybody to get their affairs in order.
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