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post #1 of 5 (permalink) Old 10-14-2019, 02:25 PM Thread Starter
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Scandi for 4 wt?

I recently purchased a 270 gr Rio Scandi Short for my 11' 4 wt Winston BIII Trout Spey. I have had some trouble casting it and it doesn't seem to be casting quite correctly, or like a scandi head should based on my experience. I have had trouble turning my flies over and easily getting the head to lay out and shoot. I have casted several different scandi and skagit setups on a variety of rods, and this has never been a problem. Does anybody have any suggestions? Is this the wrong head for my setup? Am I fishing it with too long of a tip/leader?

For reference, I have been using a 10ft 1.5 or 3 ips polyleader, with about a 5-6ft long leader, paired with a small unweighted leech pattern. I am thinking perhaps I might need to switch to a shorter tip/leader...
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I'm not casting a Winston, but it pretty much the Scandi rig to what I have been casting on a Hydrogen 4 weight & a Sage One 4 weight, except it a 4 weight Versitip kit & I'm a little shorter with the leader by just a foot. I have learned that it's all bottom hand & sloooowww, I call it getting lazy. I get real lazy when I cast, no effort into it at all.

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I'd try a 5 ft poly. The 10 ft is probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 80 grains, which may be a bit of an overload with a 270 scandi's fine front taper. A 270 skagit will turning it over easily, but maybe not the scandi.
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Like jdangler I have a 4wt scandi short versitip line for my 4116 sage one - the version of that head designed to use light tips. The tips it comes with are equivalent to 4wt rio replacement tips and weigh slightly less than 50 gr at 10’. I’m not even sure you can buy those separately - I’ve only ever seen 5wt ones for sale - but they are labeled as such and I have weighed them. My understanding is that the versitip version of the scandi short is equivalent to your line with the tip cut back, so think of your line as the versatip with an integrated floating tip. Unless you already have the versitip version - doesn’t sound like it. So with that as a reality check you definitely don’t want to be using a heavy leader with it, not even < 50 gr light tips like the ones that come with the versitip version of that line. Just stick with a tapered mono leader, approximately rod length, and consider switching to the versitip version of that line if you want the added functionality of using tips.

Either setup - scandi short versitip with provided sinktips and a few feet of tippet, or scandi short with a tapered mono leader, should work. So as suggested above put some more time in with it and see how it goes.

As far as the leaches, it depends on the fly but if it has some (waterlogged) rabbit in there that might be iffy with that line too. Perhaps try something very light first to remove that variable. As mentioned above the skagit is your friend in a pinch - that is a really light setup you are using after all.

Edit: For what it is worth, the Nextcast WA35 330gr (uses tips as well) is awesomely easy to cast on that sage with more beefy flies. It’s feels more like a scandi head - less clunky than a skagit head, but with much of the power.
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Thanks for the suggestions. I will try shortening it up a bit, and I'm hoping that will help. I fish a 300 grain skagit and that works great, later in the season when the water temps cool a bit and I am throwing a bit heavier flies and tips. Looking forward to dialing in the scandi!
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