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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 10-01-2019, 05:15 PM Thread Starter
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Bougle vs perfect

Just curious why the Hardy perfect 4” WS is two hundred bucks more than the Bougle 4”. I have both and to be honest I prefer the Bougle. Both function the same and appear to have the same mechanisms. What am I missing?

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Because if they were cheaper everyone would have one or two or a dozen?

Seriously now... machining time, tooling, or other processes involved? Tighter tolerances necessary on one vs the other? Or where is each one manufactured? I haven't seen either reel much less physically handled them. But the devil can be in the details

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I own two Bougles and one Perfect 4”WS. I honestly don’t see the differences. I like them both but I think maybe the perfect name carries more cache. Just guessing.

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My understanding is that the Bougle was supposed to be a lighter version of the Perfect. The modern ones have the same check system and bearings, as far as I can tell. Both great reels. I think the modern versions are both made in England. The Bougle has porting, the Perfect none. Maybe the Perfect has a more prominent following so they can get away with charging more. I like the Bougle better also, with the raised pillars and the rotating pillar is nice. The Heritage model has the navel brass too. Pretty killer reels both though. Cannot go wrong with either. I thing the Perfects could be heavier though for their size. Maybe they are trying to cater to the modern shorter lifghter rod crowd.

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I guess the perfect is ported on the back too. My mistrake.

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This has always been a matter of visual aesthetics for me since the Bougle came back to us. I've been owning Perfects since the 80's and back then had never seen a Bougle' because they had not been re-introduced at that time. Therefore I became accustomed to the look and feel of a Perfect. I have sold most of them at this time but still retain a wide spool Taupo and a 4 1/4". I've fished with numerus people who used the Bougle but never owned one myself. Price wise I have no clue why they are more affordable.

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light weight and with that not near as strong...I have the older (some consider the best) bougle , matter of fact i've owned a few of them....they are great for modern rods where you need a lighter reel..(still can't understand how the 3 3/4 isn't the same as the 3 3/4 perfect)

Fall down and they will bent like cheap tin..the perfects are stronger builds, their springs are much stronger (at least in mine which are older ones) i've had Arch. make me beefier springs for the bougles and now i'll just switch them out with old perfect springs...i have the 3 3/4 mk IV as well and just took it off my 12' spey yesterday as it's spring sucks and i haven't got a stronger one..fine for small trout i suppose...tired of pissing around with it...back to a taupo on that rod...

I honestly can't imagine that you could the two next to each other and not find a world of difference??? to me it's night and day...and i own both and love both..b
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Outside, yes obviously a world of difference, inside not so much. I had Arch put heavier springs in my MKIV Bougle. My Heritage still has the Hardy springs in it a I don’t see any difference in it than my Perfect 4” WS.

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Just curious why the Hardy perfect 4” WS is two hundred bucks more than the Bougle 4”.
that is a question only the Hardy Marketing team can answer.
everything else is pure speculation.
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This has always been a matter of visual aesthetics for me since the Bougle came back to us. I've been owning Perfects since the 80's and back then had never seen a Bougle' because they had not been re-introduced at that time. Therefore I became accustomed to the look and feel of a Perfect. I have sold most of them at this time but still retain a wide spool Taupo and a 4 1/4". I've fished with numerus people who used the Bougle but never owned one myself. Price wise I have no clue why they are more affordable.

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It is interesting, but while I’ve virtually never seen an old Hardy I didn’t lust after, the Bougles always turned me off strongly for some reason. I know as is often the case the very thing that one person especially like is what turns another off, but while I love the design (even though they are a bit too light weight for my tastes) they are just too, ermmm ... bright. I know it’s totally ridiculous and irrational but I absolutely hate that they are so bright. Now if they made a dark brown style one I could afford ...

As far as cost goes maybe they price Perfects for more simply because they CAN.

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It is interesting, but while I’ve virtually never seen an old Hardy I didn’t lust after, the Bougles always turned me off strongly for some reason. I know as is often the case the very thing that one person especially like is what turns another off, but while I love the design (even though they are a bit too light weight for my tastes) they are just too, ermmm ... bright. I know it’s totally ridiculous and irrational but I absolutely hate that they are so bright. Now if they made a dark brown style one I could afford ...

As far as cost goes maybe they price Perfects for more simply because they CAN.
For sure!

I like the natural anodized finish of the Bougle, without added dyes. The dark olive and black finish on the anodized Perfects is very attractive also. What I don't like about the Bougle is that they've become lighter and lighter with each version since being re-introduced. The Lightweight versions for example - so thoroughly ported - you can actually look straight through the reel. And they can be messy - lubricant on the line and backing.

I believe the Bougle 's reason for being is that he (Mr. Bougle ) wanted a lighter version of the Perfect. Hardy bros simply filed down the raised edges of the Perfect and left the reels unfinished for him. But it definitely their appealing "looks" that have made them as popular as they are.
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Outside, yes obviously a world of difference, inside not so much. I had Arch put heavier springs in my MKIV Bougle. My Heritage still has the Hardy springs in it a I don’t see any difference in it than my Perfect 4” WS.
I am pretty sure Archuleta told me the springs are the same on the heritage Bougle and modern Perfect.

As far as weight, the Hardy website lists the heritage 4" Bougle at 7.9 ounced. It weighs over 10 ounces on my digital scale, which is very accurate. Not sure why they list is as being so light, but they are inaccurate.

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my take,

the perfect is, well, Perfect! therefore it MUST cost more! (in the fly world)
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Due to the raised pillar design of the Bougle, I would assume it would cost more to manufacture. But I do agree that Hardy does charge more for the Perfect because they can.
Personally, I like both but I always tend to lean towards darker coloured reels than shiny silvery ones. But sometimes you don't have a choice ie. Henshaws and early Farlexs. If only the Bougle came out in a black or dark grey with all brass accents. Yes I know, Farlex can now do black & green.
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