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Fall Favorite 55 with poly leaders?

Just trying to find out how the FF 55 works with poly leaders, especially sinking types? Thanks for any info provided. One river I fish has cooled dramaticlly and dry flies have not worked well the last few sessions. So I may try some subsurface flies.

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Cut the tip and loop both the cut line and now floating tip. You now have a Winter Authority that will throw tips, as well as the floating section you just cut.
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I was using a FF55 on a rod and a guide suggested using poly's instead of mono leaders and it worked very well. I used floating and intermediate polys with that line.
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I was using a FF55 on a rod and a guide suggested using poly's instead of mono leaders and it worked very well. I used floating and intermediate polys with that line.
Just to clarify, Coug, you fished this line with poly leaders with the line unaltered/uncut? Thanks.

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Just to clarify, Coug, you fished this line with poly leaders with the line unaltered/uncut? Thanks.

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Yes. The rod was a 8142 with a 55' FF. The guide on the Clearwater suggested using the poly on it and it did help with casting. Also allowed me to use floating vs. intermediate. Don't want to put words in the mouth of the guide in case my old memory is bad, but believe me, he knows what he is doing.

The previous poster is also correct that the WA has a detachable tip, but I think that is for T-tips. Otherwise they are the same line? I have both and never notice a big difference. There are a lot of people here who know a helleva lot more than I do, but for me using poly's vs mono is really line/rod specific. I switched to a Gaelforce 54' line for my 8142 and like using a 12' level leader of 15# maxima and a 3 or 4' tippet instead of a poly or tapered leader. Might want to try it out before you get the knife and hair straightener out.
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Thanks Coug. I have the WA 70 also. Just wanted to see if I could get away without chopping. Thanks for the useful info.

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Thanks Coug. I have the WA 70 also. Just wanted to see if I could get away without chopping. Thanks for the useful info.

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No, IMO don’t chop! While Nextcast will tell you the FF has a slightly different taper, if you squint even a little it is true the FF and WA with its floating tip are practically the same thing. Not sure at any rate we should give credit for a subtle difference claim from a company that makes all their different weight lines by cutting back the level butt.

Still, they work great.

But different configurations for different situations. I assume light polys will be fine on the FF, which is typically a completely different fishing situation than with the WA. For lines that are not particularly “subtle” in their taper the FF are pretty nice “dry line” style heads.

The above mentioned Gaelforce lines are a lot more subtle if you have refined tastes.
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I have fished a WA55 with the floating tip attached and a 10ft Airflo poly from hover to super fast sinking with little issues. I haven't tried the extra super fast sinking yet. I noticed I needed to open up my casting stroke a little to compensate for the added weight for the fast and super fast sinking polys. Other than that, the WA55 had no issues.


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i use 10' gaelforce polys and my 55's 63' lines (mostly the 3.9 sink rate one) and it only took me 2 casts to figure out the small amount more lift i needed to cast them and cast them well....
My main reason for the gaelforce ones over the airflo is the gaelforce ones were almost all consistently the same weight and i believe that is between 40-50g

The airflo i have but don't use could be 40-100g if i want a tip that is 100' i'd use a winter authority and the 14-15' real ones...
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As Paul noted, the Airflo polys are not consistent in grains, they get heavier as the density increases. I haven't got around to acquiring the Gaelforce polys yet, probably on my trip out east ... 1 more sleep
The only fly shop in the area and they carry Gaelforce stuff, isn't that convenient

I measured the weights of my Airflo polys in case you are interested:

Airflo 10ft poly leaders:

Float - 26gr
Hover - 28gr
Intermediate - 31gr
Slow Sink - 34.5gr
Fast Sink - 39gr
Super Fast Sink - 55gr
Extra Super Fast Sink - 89gr

I will say that I prefer fishing with the floating tip removed and with a sinking #9 15ft Rio Replacement tip looped in place. Most of my sunk line fishing is throwing large speys and the added grainage can deliver my large offering easier and better. I would say the poly option handles smaller offerings a little nicer.


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Thank you all for the helpful information. Much obliged. I will practice cast with some poly leaders. The two rivers I fish most have steelhead that prefer smaller flies in sizes 4-6. So this may ne the ticket.

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