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Differences in these 2 Marquis Salmon spools?

Just got these. Noticed the difference in the handles (black vs green) and riveted vs screw. Anyone have an idea of the difference between to two? The lock works well on the black handled one, the green one doesn’t engage. Seems like the spool is snug to the body on the green one, but it does pull off.

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It seems like the spool with the green handle has been worked on.
As far as I know, the only colours Hardy has used on their reels is black, brown and white. On the Marquis series it has only been black. Hardy also rivets the handles. So the screw fastener is a give away to being a replacement. Looks good though in my opinion.
As far as the latch not engaging, probably whom ever worked on the spool didn't repair it properly. This spool may have been dropped and incurred a broken handle and a spool latch. Does the spool disengage from the cage easily or when rotating ?? You may want to send it in to a reputable Hardy repair place. Many use Archuleta's reel repair for trusted repair and maintenance of their Hardy reels.


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Thanks mang!

I also noticed that the black handle spool has a small half circle scallop cut out of the backing plate, on the edge. Machined cut, very clean and small. FWIW.

The green handle doesn’t disengage easily. I’m thinking it could be OK with a fish on.
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I once ordered an extra old Marquis spool from the UK on eBay, and it fit my reel like that - difficult to engage the latch, and once latched it could be pulled away from the reel with a little force. I sent a question to the seller who was a very experienced old Hardy guy - one of the bigger Hardy sellers on eBay. He said not to worry but to let the spool latch “get used” to the reel - make sure to fully engage the latch, by hand if necessary, and leave it on for a while. Rinse and repeat. I was skeptical, but it worked and now I can’t really tell or remember which one of my spools is that one. Maybe something like that will work for you.

So not to worry, my understanding from the above mentioned dealer is this issue is not totally unprecedented when bringing together parts for these reels. So if it just the latch not working then most likely it is not really “broken” but just needs a little “breaking in”. But if everything else is sound it’s is going to be an easily fixable thing one way or another. In your general area there is, as mentioned above, the ideal guy. But try the method above first and possibly save a few shekels.

The little semicircle cut out of the edge is pretty common - I have a bunch of these. My understanding has always been that this was intended to make it easier to get filled spools on and off the reel. You can run the tag end of the fly line through there and hold until you get the line into the cage rather the relying on it to behave. But that is just a guess. If someone knows for sure I’d like to hear. If it is for some other technical reason I’m sure my guess is going to be hilariously wrong.

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The green handle doesn’t disengage easily. I’m thinking it could be OK with a fish on.
As long as the spool is engaged and doesn't pop out, you should be good to go.
I have no idea about the semi-circle .... here's my hilarious hypothesis though:

Expansion and contraction
Help to keep the spool from warping or wobbling. Not just from friction, but also changes in climate.
Just a crazy thought .... I'll go back to watching re-runs of the Liar's Club



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There will be a considerable age difference between the spools.The Little cut out in the spool is indeed to allow the spool to be fitted to the frame with line out!.
I've two Marquis 3's, both spools wont fit each other!.I've 8 spare spools in the classic style which fit the newer reel perfectly well, however I've one of the early far eastern spools in a full matt grey which fits both reels, this spool was after the Marquis reels were discontinued, but spools were still being manufactured due to customer demand.
As ever with Hardy reels, tolerances may well change over time as do design details, of course all depending on source of manufacture!
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Totally fascinating. Thx! It’s going on. 6131 Anderson ‘07 vintage, fwiw

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There will be a considerable age difference between the spools.The Little cut out in the spool is indeed to allow the spool to be fitted to the frame with line out!...
Yes! *tiger woods fist pump* I always love it when my totally unsubstantiated guess about something proves to be correct. To paraphrase a quote from the movie “Clueless”: I couldn’t be prouder of myself if my guess had been based on actual information.

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It seems like the spool with the green handle has been worked on.
As far as I know, the only colours Hardy has used on their reels is black, brown and white. On the Marquis series it has only been black. Hardy also rivets the handles. So the screw fastener is a give away to being a replacement. Looks good though in my opinion.
As far as the latch not engaging, probably whom ever worked on the spool didn't repair it properly. This spool may have been dropped and incurred a broken handle and a spool latch. Does the spool disengage from the cage easily or when rotating ?? You may want to send it in to a reputable Hardy repair place. Many use Archuleta's reel repair for trusted repair and maintenance of their Hardy reels.


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Hello.. Riveted Handles a nonHardy routine?? Check out the Korean spools. And the failing latch could be caused by the arm being tampered with so it´s no longer dead straight. You may want to take the cover off, check the latch arm and then have a hell to reverse the procedure. Been there for the same reason, done that.... Yours borano20
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Hardy Marquis (pronounced Mar-kwiss, rather than Mar-kee being a large open outdoor tent..) handles were attached by a central post which were screwed into the spool face, with plastic knob in place. The top was then cut off and polished. The treaded end, inside the face of the spool was also trimmed, then peened over.

This can be seen in the promotional Hardy video of 1987, entitled The Art of Fly Reel & Rod Manufacture, where the Marquis is shown being made from the poured mold casting, to being buffed up and put in its box.

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