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Airflow Rage Compact thoughts

I understand that his line has been around for a while and that it is claimed to be a compromise between a Scandi and Skagit heads . I have considered trying one on my six weight Switch and would interested in your comments and any experience you may have had with these lines .
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Lots of people like the rage heads, but I'm just lukewarm on them. They're a great tool, but I think the Rio Scandi Short Versitip system is more flexible "Skandit" head for the fishing scenarios I face, so the rage stays in my pack most of the time. The versitip is obviously much more expensive, but in my mind, a worthwhile investment. The Rage is designed around Versileaders/Polyleaders, while the versitip can utilize both tips and versileaders, in some scenarios, at the same time. At 33' with any of the sink tips, it's got enough turnover for medium sized/lightly weighted intruders/stingers, while still maintaining the presentation of the scandi taper. Loop on the floating tip and a 10' polyleader, and you've got a killer low water line, very similar to the performance of the rage. If Airflo was to release the rage as a multi density or multi tip head, I would jump all over it.

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I am new to spey casting with my first 2 hand rod, a 12 1/2' 6wt Redington Duelly. I have only one line right now. Its an Airflow compact rage 420 gr. I have an assortment of versileaders and polyleaders as well as couple 5 ft T8 tips that I made. I like this rig a lot and have learned (and continue to practice) a good double spey, snap T, and snake roll. I fish with an experienced steelheader from time to time and he thinks this rig is excellent especially where I am a newbie.
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I have 3 Rage heads, 450 gr, 510 gr, 570 gr. I use the 10 ft Polyleaders. If it gets any better than these, I don't know about it! Not sure they would be your best option on a switch rod that you would overhead cast with though.
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Lots of people like the rage heads, but I'm just lukewarm on them. They're a great tool, but I think the Rio Scandi Short Versitip system is more flexible "Skandit" head for the fishing scenarios I face, so the rage stays in my pack most of the time. The versitip is obviously much more expensive, but in my mind, a worthwhile investment. The Rage is designed around Versileaders/Polyleaders, while the versitip can utilize both tips and versileaders, in some scenarios, at the same time. At 33' with any of the sink tips, it's got enough turnover for medium sized/lightly weighted intruders/stingers, while still maintaining the presentation of the scandi taper. Loop on the floating tip and a 10' polyleader, and you've got a killer low water line, very similar to the performance of the rage. If Airflo was to release the rage as a multi density or multi tip head, I would jump all over it.

Rage is made in multi-density, overseas...every once in a while, one pops up for sale around here. Maybe you can search and find one from an overseas retailer?

As for the line itself, I do like it as a low-water line, but was never able to throw the big bugs and tips that some people claim. It really jives for me with polyleaders, whether single spey or water-born skagit casts, and smaller flies.
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Rage is made in multi-density, overseas...every once in a while, one pops up for sale around here. Maybe you can search and find one from an overseas retailer?

As for the line itself, I do like it as a low-water line, but was never able to throw the big bugs and tips that some people claim. It really jives for me with polyleaders, whether single spey or water-born skagit casts, and smaller flies.
I'll have to keep an eye out for one, thanks for the tip! I did snag an Intermediate Skagit Compact last season, and it's a killer winter line.

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I use it on my 4114 for trout. I really like it, much more than other lines I have tried on that rod. I use 10' floating or intermediate poly's and small patterns. Generally size 10-14. It works really well for my application. I did find that going from the suggested 300 to 330gr made a big difference for me. All of my casts are touch and go, single spey or snake rolls.
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I understand that his line has been around for a while and that it is claimed to be a compromise between a Scandi and Skagit heads . I have considered trying one on my six weight Switch and would interested in your comments and any experience you may have had with these lines .
There are a bunch of threads on the RAGE here if you do a search. I mean a LOT over the past few years - very much discussed. People can get very analytical on here so these should provide all the information you could ever want and more.

They are good when it is windy, when you are using larger flies, if you don’t need a serious tip. It is also a surprisingly decent skating line.

It is basically a skagit head with an integrated floating tip (literally where the designers said they started) and some of the transitions smoothed over. If you want to save money you would likely get similar results just by putting a matching floating tip on your skagit head (the one in the kit that most of us never seem get around to using )

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I use an 360g Airflo Rage on my 11' 6wt Meiser switch.

I run it a size lighter than I would a skagit on that rod and use it as a dryline with a 12' tapered leader swinging for local coastal summer run steelhead on smaller rivers.

Absolutely fun to cast. The way I have it setup, it has a lot more finesse than a skagit but more power than a scandi.
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Yes, I bought two Airflo Rage that come with 3 tips in the UK. The weights are different than the simple Rage, I believe because of the tips. Of course they are more expensive than the latter.

Try Glasgow Angling Center or Angling Active/Stirling in Scotland.

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I have a selection of them from 390 grains up to 660 grains &, whilst mainly floaters, I also have some full hover & the hover/intermediate versions.

To me they are excellent for general use allowing transitions between long tapered leaders for true floating line presentations through the range of poly tips to cover sub surface to mid water stuff, and (at least in the larger sizes of heads) proper tips from multi tip lines - which a 600 grain + Rage seems to turn over pretty well as long as they aren't 15 feet long 8 inches per second tips from #11 weight lines.

Using the float / hover Rage in 480 grains with 15 ft tips from an 8 wt Rio versi tip single handed line gave a nice graduated sinking profile with the sink 3 tip for getting down to the fish in a decent flow but without dredging the bottom & getting hung up. On the 600 grain I used S1/S2 & S2/S3 dual density tips from a Guideline DDC multi tip system head & had a 4D extended head which allowed me to throw a more extended loop for longer casts - all at a reasonable cost as the Rage heads are cheaper than most others over here & I simply recycled existing tips from lines I already owned. In some cases the lines were worn out, such as my Rio single handed, but the tips soldiered on & so were a no-cost option for me to use with the Rage heads.

They seem pretty durable too, which is always a good thing, and for me are a bit of a fall-back "one line for everything" approach for much of the year as long as I have a tips wallet in my pocket.

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I would run, not walk, past an Airflo Rage for a Rio Scandi Body. Don’t care if they are handing them out like church fliers Rio Scandi Body is way more versatile and casts better.
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I've like the heavier, older, versions (>350). I tried several under 300 grains and was having a lot of trouble with them. A very experienced caster (Spey-O-Rama finalist) also tried them and told me that the versions I had were built incorrectly. This was good to hear because I was convinced I somehow forgotten how to cast. Went back to the Scandi for wetflies on my trout speys. If I'm throwing junk and tips, I use a Skagit head.

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I see the Rage as an aggressive Scandi, not as a Skagit-type.

I fish them all summer on two six weights and a seven weight, almost always skating flies.

I find them a superb fishing tool.
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I feel like the Rage is OK, but at times almost too aggressive. I usually have them a grain weight or two below the skagit recommendation for my rods.

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