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SH Rod Spey Lines...Help

I haven't been on Speypages foe the past few years because I've been very content with my spey casting. But I've just become intrigued with all the articles and videos of SH rod spey casting. I fish for Atlantic salmon in New Brunswick on the Miramichi and Cains rivers every fall usually with low water and the SC coast for Red fish in the winter. I've just been trying accouple of my older single handed rods with an Airflo Scandi Compact lines. My favorite so far being an older Sage SP 9 1/2' 7wt with a 360 compact scandi line. Now I'm trying to come up with a new SH Scandi line that may be more appropriate for it plus maybe a 5wt for trout. I have no real idea what to get with all the new SH spey lines that have come out over the past few years? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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I cast about 230gr line heads using 7wt single hand rod. Best lines I have are self made. If you want easy to Spey cast consider Scientific Anglers Spey Lite. It comes as WF line and shooting head 150gr and up. Head is short but when long mono leader is used it is Spey casts all styles great and should deliver bigger fly using shorter leader.

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My favorite is the few year old Rio single hand Spey line. These go up to 8wt so you are probably covered. Think of these as somewhat similar in taper to something like a rio gold trout line except with extra weight on the butt part of the taper designed to make sh Spey casts easier. So on a spectrum from a long delicate dry fly taper on the left, through a scandi taper, to a skagit head on the far right, the single hand Spey is to the right of the trout, and close to, but to the left of most scandi heads. The sh spey line is integrated and is basically optimized if you want to switch up between overhand and Spey casting. Of course you can use any Spey head that is the right weight. Also, there are over on the very end of the spectrum commando and other shortie skagit heads you can use on a sh rod. Good for working with the heaviest flies and serious tips. Hope the info helps a little. I really love the sh Spey lines - very elegant but a little bit more of a learning curve than a fall-off-the-log easy commando style heads.

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Has anyone used the RIO InTouch Single Handed Spey 3D line vs the RIO InTouch Single Handed Spey line?
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I use a Wulff Ambush on my 10' 8wt and it spey casts like a dream. A perfect match. I think they make them down to 3wt.

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Has anyone used the RIO InTouch Single Handed Spey 3D line vs the RIO InTouch Single Handed Spey line?
Yes, I have both. Same line, except the former is a sinking one, where as the latter is a floater that can double as an overhead dry fly line. The 3D one is a very unique one, perfect for something like swung soft hackles. It may be 3D, but in any kind of current it is pretty close to an intermediate. When it came out I figured it would disappear quickly being kind of a more specialized version of a line that is already specialized, so I bought two for insurance. A really beautiful line for swinging just below the surface, but probably not one for getting many feet under water.

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That just might be the perfect line for fishing the Miramichi and Cains rivers in New Brunswick for salmon in the fall. Both rivers I fish an intermedit tip because they are shallow in the fall. Do you find they are matched to the rod weight ie. 8wt line to an 8wt single handed rod? Or do you need to go one line heavier?
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I use the RIO 3D when conditions require but my floating line is the RIO in touch Salmon / Steelhead line. The salmon steelhead line has almost the same bullet shaped 30' head but also a long rear taper (nearly 20 feet I think) and that long rear taper allows for mighty fine line control and thus fly control.

For your described low water fall use consider the Salmon / Steelhead in touch line, don't take my word, call RIO and get someone who uses the line on the line and they should collaborate my claim
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I have been fishing the single hand spey 3d a lot this summer, I have been fishing the 200grn 5wt version on my 3wt 10'6 dually to swing soft hackles and its been an absolute blast.
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I should mention what rod I use the lines on, it's this one.



I tend to keep things a long time, especially if they work well. The rod is a.....



I guess you could say I was spey casting long before I ever saw a 14 foot rod. I'll never stop using that old Orvis, it's my small water rod and I just love it. I've used a lot of reels with it through the years but a couple years back I found this and will stick with.



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That just might be the perfect line for fishing the Miramichi and Cains rivers in New Brunswick for salmon in the fall. Both rivers I fish an intermedit tip because they are shallow in the fall. Do you find they are matched to the rod weight ie. 8wt line to an 8wt single handed rod? Or do you need to go one line heavier?
Yes, those are rated for single-hand rods, as advertised. But you may want to try one weight up. If it is Simon Gawesworth that worked on the weight recommendations then we already know he like things on the lighter side.

So the 8wt would be good on a 7 or 8wt rod depending on taste. If you look at the actual weights they are already a good bit more than you would expect an regular overhead line to weigh for a specified weight, and that is intentional. It’s kind of a balance for the individual what weight will feel best, and I like to imagine that depends on where you want to balance things percentage wise between overhead and spey casts - more spey cast, then maybe prefer a bit heavier. The heads I believe are about 33’ so that is already pretty long if you are thinking about spey casting with a 9’ rod. Also it goes without saying that these are not designed to drive really big flies. In such cases you would probably want a (possibly) shorter, traditional shooting head with a less stretched out taper. Those can be spey cast as well, and when they a short enough they are basically, I suppose, a skagit head.

Are there lines that might be a little easier to do spey casts with on your SH rod right out of the box? Probably. The SH Spey is more the ideal line of someone that wants to work some spey casts into the mix. I like to think of this line as the prefect line to learn all the tricks Simon Gawesworth talks about in his single hand spey casting book, which is total integration of all the possibilities using a single hand rod. Those possibilities include not only everything you can do with a two-handed spey cast but everything you can do incorporating an active line hand. So the number of possibilities squared!

Note: I think it would be fair to add here my experience is with trout, not Salmon, with these setups. So far my use of the SH Spey lines has been 5 and 6 wt lines on a 9’ 5 wt Burkie DAL, and one of Steve Godshall’s custom rods, a 9’ 7” 6wt that has a very similar action to the DAL.

Hope all this is slightly helpful.

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Very helpful...Thank you so much! I think I'll get the 8wt as I have several SH 7 & 8wts that I used to use Striper fishing here in the Boston/Cape Cod area.
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I remembered seeing a blog post a while back that was a review by someone more in your area, and of his experiences using this line fishing for Atlantic’s. I was able to re-find it for you. So if you haven’t already seen it here it is.

Review: RIO InTouch Single Handed Spey Line 3D - New England On The FlyNew England On The Fly

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Botsari,
You won't believe this...but the guy who wrote that review in his Blog (Review: RIO InTouch Single Handed Spey Line 3D - New England On The Fly) lives in my small home town of Carlisle, MA. I contacted him telling him where I lived. Going over to try out fly Lines and have a beer!!

Many many thanks...Jeff
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You won't believe this...but the guy who wrote that review in his Blog (Review: RIO InTouch Single Handed Spey Line 3D - New England On The Fly) lives in my small home town of Carlisle, MA. I contacted him telling him where I lived. Going over to try out fly Lines and have a beer!!

Many many thanks...Jeff




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