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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-20-2019, 06:23 PM Thread Starter
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Versileaders and tippets

How do you guys set up your versileaders/polyleaders. They come with a straight mono pigtail where the tippet is tied on. How do you attach your tippet. I am using 3x tippet... do you create a step down with another piece before you tie on the tippet. I only want a 3-4' tippet section. My worry is that I will dig into the pigtail as I change tippets and use up the pigtail section. Don't want to keep buying these leaders at $14 each. I know its a crazy question but hope someone can take pity on this beginner.
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I usually put a small non-slip loop at the end of the leader. Then put another on the first tippet section, loop to loop. Creates a little drag, but I put the fly far from the connection. I've caught plenty of fish on this set up, even with small wetflies.

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Tippet rings.
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See Simon’s video for more explanation. They work great. And save expensive leaders. https://youtu.be/noTUpeqbwdQ
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I just double over the poly tip and tie two Nail Knots using a #15 flat dacron braid, then coat the knots with a thin layer of Loon UV KnotSense.
I only use sinking polys so I'm not worried about the effects of a loop or coating might have on the end.


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Perfection loop on both ends. Works great. Never had an issue

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For trouts, graylings and all light tackle fishing:
Tippet rings any time. Tied on with an Uniknot.
For salmons and seatrouts: Loop to loop connection.

The tippet ring was becoming attention in the 70Ďs of the last century as ĄPitzenbauer Ringď (called after the man who invented it). It was invented for dryflyfishing for grayling in Bavaria, to save the (time intensive) self tied tapered leaders of those days. There was a scientific around self tied tippets...
I donít know if there were people using a tippet ring for salmons or steelheads earlier than this in the States. If so, excuse me. But in Europe it was becoming popular much later for the salmon fishing.

Maybe I am alone, but I still donít trust a 180 degree knot in a combination of Mono and metal for the heavy tackle and big fishes.
In many cases itís a must to connect a fly, with one differentiation: It will be renewed regularly.
But for a longtime solution in the heavy game with all the mechanical stress of Spey casting, hookups, bottom contacts and anything else?
For the heavy duty fishing, I continued to use a loop to loop connection for nearly 40 years now without any problems. And the migrating fish species donít care.

I donít want to say itís not doable. Many people do so meanwhile, also without any problems (at least not reported) and the highly appreciated Simon Gawesworth and many others recommend it. It has itís advantages for fishing two flies of course. And itís more elegant too compared to a loop to loop connection.
If doing so or in need for a tippet ring, I would renew the knot regularly.
The power distribution in 180 degree knots on metal is simply different to a loop to loop connection. My loops on Polyleaders are mostly as old as the Polyleaders they are tied on.
Maybe the knots on the tippet rings too?

As said, maybe I am alone with my doubts. Interesting to follow what people will report about their experiences.

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I will test two non-slip loops against a tippet ring any day. Also, you don't need to buy anything, just tie two knots. I've had terrible luck breaking fish off on tippet rings. Only fish I ever broke off on a loop knot was a 20+ pound Queets buck. Just my opinion though and know plenty of people that use rings.

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Agree with the loop to loop suggestion. Works so well I've never tried tippet rings. I have tried a small barrel swivel and found that unnecessary too.

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I see that tippet ring has three advantages. It is more durable so polyleader does not shorten too fast. Tippet ring connectio is slimmer than loop to loop. When fluorocarbon tippet is used it can make stronger connection.

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Tippet rings every time!, either 2mm or 3mm Riverge items.Knotted and glued(Zap a Gap!), never had one fail on me yet and that's with size 16's to 11lb Seaguar through to 3" copper tube flee's off 23lb Seaguar.Lets you change tippet to suit conditions/fly weight-size with no shortening of the Poly.
Neat,tidy,tough as old boots, a very practical solution.
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Also agree about the flourocarbon comment. Good tip.

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post #13 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-22-2019, 08:12 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks for the input everyone...its a big help.
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For bigger fish, I cut off the mono "pigtail and use 25lb ultragreen with nail knot to the polyleader and a surgeons loop knot to the tippet.



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