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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 04-21-2019, 10:24 AM Thread Starter
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Skagit cheater on the rear of other heads

I picked up a 15' 8/9 deer creek last year and have yet to try it. With a quick 2 day trip coming up I'm trying to line it. I do have a wa45 in 8/9. But I also have a 5' Skagit cheater around 15gn/ft I was thinking of adding to the back end of either a wa 55 or FF70 (both 7/8) that I have. The cheater looks slightly lighter than what gets trimmed from the backs of those lines. Think it will work?
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Only one way to find out.

For what its worth, I would guess that FF70 7/8 might be just fine on that rod even though it is listed as an 8/9.
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Don't know about the WA but I cast a FF70 7/8 on a 13' 7/8 and it cast beautifully. This line is already quite long and I don't know if the cheater will help or not. It may interfere with the action of the rear taper which I think make this line what it is(at least part of it).

The WA may respond better with the cheater. Very different profile.

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Don't know about the WA but I cast a FF70 7/8 on a 13' 7/8 and it cast beautifully. This line is already quite long and I don't know if the cheater will help or not. It may interfere with the action of the rear taper which I think make this line what it is(at least part of it).

The WA may respond better with the cheater. Very different profile.

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The wa lines and older ff lines are the same line for the length designation, just cut from the back to make a specific grainage (and cut back for tips at the front for the wa). There isnt a rear taper really. IE the wa70 7/8 is 61' @ 660gn and the 8/9 is 64' @730gn. At 10/11 grainage its 70ft
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The wa lines and older ff lines are the same line for the length designation, just cut from the back to make a specific grainage (and cut back for tips at the front for the wa). There isnt a rear taper really. IE the wa70 7/8 is 61' @ 660gn and the 8/9 is 64' @730gn. At 10/11 grainage its 70ft
Their rear seems so heavy (about 23,3gr/ft) that I would use AFCS 810gr sections (average 32.3gr/ft) to add weight. Heavy AF Skagit heads are only $16.99 on "famous auction site" at the moment. AFCS 810gr 13ft level section is about 3,03mm +-0,07mm. Longer ~8ft taper ends to ~2,2mm just before loop and other ~4ft taped ends ~2,25mm so in practice they can be fit "smoothly" to all 10wt and heavier Spey lines/heads.

Many lines have too long level section on rear which I usually remove almost all but I like lines which I "shoot".

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i put a cheater on the back of my Nextcast and it was not a problem..i needed a bit of added weight and it works fine....Met a few guys who have sets of their own cheaters they add when dialing a line...makes sense
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Back when cheaters were the newest thing, I did my usual parsimonious alternative, and made some. It's ridiculously easy. From a cheap DT10F line, I made a five footer at 66 grains, and a ten footer at 121 grains, both with braided loops. The tapered ends could become rear tapers.
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Thanks guys. High water made us switch rivers so back in the closet the rod goes till fall . Still eager to try it though
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Thanks guys. High water made us switch rivers so back in the closet the rod goes till fall . Still eager to try it though
Don't throw it in the closet till fall. Get it worked out so when you need to use it......you are ready to use it. Just my two cents.
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