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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 02-17-2010, 11:45 AM Thread Starter
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Unhappy Failure to launch Rio 7/8 AFS head with Death Star Rod

Yesterday, I was on the American River testing my newest stick, the Death Star. At first I was using the Rio Skagit Flight 550 with the 15 Rio Spey Versi 1.5 ips Leader with a 3' tippet. All flies worked well, and I was shooting 2-4 rod lengths of running/shooting line.

At about 1 pm we had a warming spell and the air temp got to a little above 70 degrees. I started seeing some flashes of Silver out about 60' in a foam line, and I caught a half pounder (either the latest or earliest yet on that river) just as the fly hit the water. Then, some 2' Steelies started jumping/striking on the surface.

I changed from my Skagit Flight Spool to a spool with the RIO AFS 7/8 with the 15' Rio Floating Spey Versi leader and a few feet of tippet and a floating steelhead bee. The wind had started upstream at about 8-10 mph.

The AFS 7/8 and 15' leader just didn't perform regardless of what cast I tried and even my overhead/underhand cast and. I tried a smaller fly and the same problems occurred re short casts barely a rod length of running and shooting line going out and the fly and tippet looking like a wounded bird. The Death Star never felt loaded with any cast.

I went to the shore and took that spool off and put my Skagit Flight 550 back on with the 15' Rio Spey Versi floating leader. After a couple of casts, I was getting out about as far as I had been with the 1.5 ips leader. Unfortunately, the fish were gone.

Looking back, I never really tried the AFS 7/8 Head with my Z7136. Rio came out with the AFS heads at the same time Gary Anderson finished my Z6126. Bob Pauli Ian Gordon helped me find the line AFS 6/7 and matching it with the new Rio 15' Spey Floating Versi Leader at the Speyorama that year. At that time the 6126 and AFS 6/7 and 15' floating leader became my dry line tools, and my Z7136 was relegated to using Skagits and the various sinking Versi Leaders.

So does anyone have an AFS 8/9 or 9/10 Head, they would like to trade for a barely used AFS 7/8 head. Or a Skagit flight 600 head for my AFS Head?

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I know you use the 550 skagit with the 7126. I like a 575 flight with that rod. But I really like the Airflo Compact Scandi 480 with an Airflo 14' floating poly leader. This turned over large dries in BC for me last fall better than what I get from AFS heads. The other option would be Gary Anderson's new scandi lines. I use his 6126 explorer rod with his line, and they are a perfect match. I am sure he can match one for your 7126.
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Thanks for the feedback, Chuck

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I know you use the 550 skagit with the 7126. I like a 575 flight with that rod. But I really like the Airflo Compact Scandi 480 with an Airflo 14' floating poly leader. This turned over large dries in BC for me last fall better than what I get from AFS heads. The other option would be Gary Anderson's new scandi lines. I use his 6126 explorer rod with his line, and they are a perfect match. I am sure he can match one for your 7126.
I need to thin down my herd of lines. My oldest son loves to zap me. He looked at all of the boxes of flylines/running~shooting lines, full and or empty with the lines on reels and spools. He said, "Dad you have more Spey Lines than your local fly shop and the one near where I live!"

So I will be trading and selling for awhile, not buying new lines. Of course that doesn't count the two running/shooting lines coming from Meiser and S G.

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Every one is a little different in casting preferences, I was playing with a few lines at the Golden casting ponds and I find that the 535 gr. Flight fits my casting style and the 8/9 AFS is a better fit than the 7/8, again just my preference. Now I need to find a better reel. Any thoughts on a Hardy Salmon I'm toying between a #2 or #3 ? Victor
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Dave, have you played with the leader length?
seems to me the 7/8 AFS likes less leader than a 15' poly, would be way too much stick for me.
If you try a 10' poly or a 15' Mono and it still refuses to go, I have a 8/9 AFS floater (520 gr) I'd consider trading you for the 7/8.

edit: "if it were me"
I'd be looking at a 33' head for that rod, 50 gr heavier than the 7/8 AFS.
the 7/8 goes about 37', the 8/9 about 38', both are too long for such a fast stick IMHO, even though the weight of the 8/9 is right. Maybe someone has a chopped Powertaper or a compact scandi to trade you. I think that would be perfect.

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Dave, have you played with the leader length?
seems to me the 7/8 AFS likes less leader than a 15' poly, would be way too much stick for me.
If you try a 10' poly or a 15' Mono and it still refuses to go, I have a 8/9 AFS floater (520 gr) I'd consider trading you for the 7/8.
It may be the length of the head. My Z7136 did okay with the 7/8,

I have swapped leaders with the AFS 7/8 which didn't help. Interesting my Z6126 didn't/doesn't perform as well with the 10' Rio Spey Versi leader as with the 15' Spey Versi leader. Bob Pauli and Ian Gordon helped me to tune that in two years ago at SpeyoRama. I like that combo, and some of the really good casters at the American River cast that little rod with the 6/7 AFS head, 15' Spey Versi Leader and a good size fly well over 100'.

PM me your private address, and I will get the line in the mail to you.

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I can see that; the 6126, being slower, would want a nice long leader to facilitate a longer, fuller stroke.

I'll get my addie to you, I have to look and see if I still have yours. I'm having an oral surgery today (bone grafts) and may not be in good shape for a few days, so bear with me OK?
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I have two suggestions:
1. A Beulah Elixer 8/9 head 520 gr at 36'
or probably better:
2. A Balistic spey head. and custom cut it following the table/chart and get the right length and weight. I believe the chart shows the 9/10 head cut to 32' and 510 grains

Both heads can be had at the Red Shed Fly Shop and I am sure Poppy can help you out.
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OK Dave, necessary arrangements are made. you should have your shooting head in about 4 days.
Remember, short stroke, lots of bottom.

wait a minute, that's the dirtiest sounding casting advice I've ever given...
must be the pain killers talkin'...
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