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Hatch 68lb backing

Whatís everyoneís opinion of this? I decided to go with it instead of spectra and gel spun and what have you
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Hatch backing is expensive but really good. It is inert and won't eventually rot out like dacron. The space it takes is small because it's diameter is about the same as 20lb dacron. And, it isn't sharp and cutting like gelspun. Good stuff if you're ok with it being unbreakable. I have it on several reels. my opinion.
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I've been using it since it first came out. It handles and knots much like Dacron and is so smooth I use it on my gear reels for musky fishing. It seems that one either loves the stuff or hates it. There's one guy on a saltwater FF board that trashes it every chance he gets. Incidently, years ago I wrote that about Dacron rotting in my newsletter that I sent to my customers. When I got to the IFTD Show that year I got pulled aside by one of the SA honchos to explain to me that Dacron does not rot. Not just theirs, but any Dacron. The worst that can happen is that moisture gets trapped in there and mildew develops. He said, by definition, synthetics will not rot. So far, I haven't even found a trace of mildew on my Hatch Premium.
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Can you do blind splices with them?
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I was hoping someone else would jump in here as I don't do blind splices. However, taking a look at the backing I seriously doubt it would be possible to get any needle or other tool up there. Anyone know differently?
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Okay, got it in! Love it!

Quick question, since Iím lining my reel for Chinook season in BC. Iím wondering if I did this well. Iíve never thought of what the strongest knots were and such.

So on the backing I just did a double surgeons loop and put a very little bit of uv glue on knot. Then I went to put a knot in my 50lb big game, and found that mono that big is hard to get a neat knot in! I settled on a loop knot, not sure what you call it but it is just like a non-slip mono, but I donít bring the tag end through the extra time you do it on a non-slip mono. And I only did 3 turns since in just wonít cinch well with anything bigger. I added some uv glue as well. Does this sound good or would you guys recommend something different?

Sorry for a basic question, but itís been a couple years since I lined my reels and never trying a loop knot with the 50lb shooting mono! Thanks in advance!!

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Okay, got it in! Love it!

Quick question, since Iím lining my reel for Chinook season in BC. Iím wondering if I did this well. Iíve never thought of what the strongest knots were and such.

So on the backing I just did a double surgeons loop and put a very little bit of uv glue on knot. Then I went to put a knot in my 50lb big game, and found that mono that big is hard to get a neat knot in! I settled on a loop knot, not sure what you call it but it is just like a non-slip mono, but I donít bring the tag end through the extra time you do it on a non-slip mono. And I only did 3 turns since in just wonít cinch well with anything bigger. I added some uv glue as well. Does this sound good or would you guys recommend something different?

Sorry for a basic question, but itís been a couple years since I lined my reels and never trying a loop knot with the 50lb shooting mono! Thanks in advance!!
I'd have to see your knot to have any idea of whether to trust it or not. When I tie loops in large diameter material I usually just use a perfection loop. I can tie that in 100# hard Mason so you will not have trouble with 50# Big Game. I also might be temped to use more turns, like 6 turns which would make a true Triple Surgeon's loop in your backing. It's not hard to tie, nor is it hard to close down neatly. Depending upon what material you're using for backing, I might also put a drop of Loc-Tite on it (just a small drop.)
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I'd have to see your knot to have any idea of whether to trust it or not. When I tie loops in large diameter material I usually just use a perfection loop. I can tie that in 100# hard Mason so you will not have trouble with 50# Big Game. I also might be temped to use more turns, like 6 turns which would make a true Triple Surgeon's loop in your backing. It's not hard to tie, nor is it hard to close down neatly. Depending upon what material you're using for backing, I might also put a drop of Loc-Tite on it (just a small drop.)
Thanks Jr! Going to use both of those! I appreciate it

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Last season I used the Hatch backing with a triple surgeons knot to form loops. A drop of uv glue was then applied to form a little tapered covering for the knot. This setup worked perfectly for Alaskan kings.

Given the likely strength of your tippet (15 lb is what I use) I think you are in good shape.
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It’s probably the best if price is no object. It is also supposed to last a really long time.

I made a loop on the end if it by doubling it and threading the hatch through some #50 braided nylon before doing a blind splice in THAT. I secured the hatch stuff with a multi surgeons knot on the doubled section and then whip finished the ends of the braided nylon. The backing basically slips freely through the braided stuff which is used just for a “cover” - the strength of the loop itself all comes from the surgeons knot. This is a nice way to make a relatively low profile loop in the hatch that will cinch well and doesn’t bunch up on, or bite into, your running line loop. Just an idea for something to try.
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I have put it on my reels now and I love it. It is really compact. I usually do my own reels but my local shop set it up for me. They do trips to Christmas Island so they set their reels for really big fish. They do a double (long) bimini knot so you can change an entire fly line. I used Rio 50lb grip shooter for the running line and it does not come with a loop. The shop made a loop and then secured it with 3 nail knots (using separate mono not the 50lb line). They wrap the entire loop splice with Kevlar thread and then glue. It is a really compact package that will outlast me.

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To get around the price, I just bought 8 strand (or 9) braid on ebay from China. You will see the strength and diameter are just about the same as the hatch product. Cost 1/10th as much. Used a bimini loop.
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To get around the price, I just bought 8 strand (or 9) braid on ebay from China. You will see the strength and diameter are just about the same as the hatch product. Cost 1/10th as much. Used a bimini loop.
Consistency has always been the problem with Chinese lines. It only takes one weak spot to ruin your day. Also, Bimini's aren't the best knot in most braids. The true triple surgeon's (six times through) is actually superior and none other than Lefty Kreh pointed that out to me. If you're simply using the backing for fishing around home, it's probably just fine. Spend $6000.00 or more on a trip of a lifetime and having your backing fail will ruin more than your day. Just MHO.
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I have used 50lbs Fire Wire from Walmart....its small around tuff and cheap.
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I have used 50lbs Fire Wire from Walmart....its small around tuff and cheap.
Spider Wire is Ultra-High Molecular Weight Polyethylene (UHMWPE) 65lb x 300yds = $33

Hatch 68lb backing is Polyethylene (PE) 68lb x 273yds = $64

Rio Dacron braided backing 20lb x 300yds = $22

After reading this thread, I may just give the Spider Wire a try in Hi-Vis yellow and try one of those FG knots to connect to my mono. Around my neck of the woods 40/50lb will be over kill, all I've ever used is 20/30lb Dacron. I'm needing some new backing so Thanks TDS for throwing that tidbit out here.

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