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Tips for Micro Skagit lines ??

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About to pull the trigger on a 300 grain OPST micro Skagit head and just wondering what everyone here uses for tips ??
The OPST site is very vague and has some confusing info if you search around the website as to what tips match rod weights, grain windows, heads, etc ....

I'm looking to get a 300 grain Skagit head.
Currently I have what I believe to might work:

- Z-9 in 10ft (90gr) and 12ft (108gr) tips
- Z-12 in 8ft (96gr) and 10ft (120gr) tips
- Rio 15ft Replacement Tips #7 (95gr)
- 10ft Airflo polys (36gr to 90gr)

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I think all of those will work, Mike. If I'm throwing skagit on my 4 wt, I'm using an old 300 gr SA sh skagit head, and it will throw those- the z9 most comfortably, but all fo them. And the OPST heads will carry more freight as they are shorter and fatter.
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What about length ??
I see most of the OPST recommendations are 7.5ft tips.
If I choose to use a tip, I prefer a longer tip, like 12ft to 15ft.
I guess as long as I keep the tip weight between 90 and 120 grains, it should be okay ... ??


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I think so. I fish primarily 12 and 15 ft tips on my heavier rods, and 10's on my lighter. I fish 12 ft tips on a 350 OPST, and on my smaller 4 wt spey, with the 300 gr skagit, I fish 10 ft.

I know it's popular to fish massive streamers for trout right now, but I generally fish somewhat smaller (not tiny, but not Zoo Cougars either), so I'm generally not trying to max out the line system's carrying capacity.
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In my experience the commando tip length has more to do with rod length than head weight. I have a 250 gr commando head that Iíve used comfortably on an 8í6Ē glass 7/8, a 10ft 6wt, and a 12ft 2/3. Same head. But if I use a longer tip on the single hand rods I canít get them out of the water, or the shorter tip on the longer rod I blow the anchor constantly. So I like the 7.5ft tips for the 8í6Ē, 10ft light MOWs for the 10ft 6wt (though I think 12ftíers might work better, just donít have them in the right weight) and 15ft 7wts Rios on the 12ft rod ( Iíve done less playing with this rig, so there is likely something better).
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The rod I had built is a 10ft 8wt Quantum by Steve Godshall ... should be here any day now
From this discussion so far, I think the 10ft or 12ft tips shouldn't be an issue ... maybe even the 15ft Rio #7 tips may work well.


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On my 10ft 4wt switch I use the sa integrated Spey lite 300 grain skagit with 7’6” opst tips and the combo works real well for me. I haven’t tried it but the 10ft Rio light tips would probably work well too.

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Iím kind of in the same boat. Recently purchased a Beulah Classic 5/6 Switch, which is 10í6Ē long, and will be pairing it with an OPST. Not to highnack Mikeís thread, but this info has been useful. I was thinking most 10í tips should be fine.
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The rod I had built is a 10ft 8wt Quantum by Steve Godshall ... should be here any day now
From this discussion so far, I think the 10ft or 12ft tips shouldn't be an issue ... maybe even the 15ft Rio #7 tips may work well.


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Cool. I built out Steve’s 11ft 6/7 Quantum last fall. Great blanks.
12ft tips for that one, incidentally...
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What's worked for me on Commando and Rio Trout Max heads for the local trout rivers is light 10 ft. MOW tips, 10 ft. of T8 and the 8 ft. Airflo Seatrout polyleaders. The sinking Seatrout polys have almost no taper and are a fair bit heavier than 10 ft. Steelhead versileaders. The float/sink light MOW's just seem to smooth out the super short trout skagits and cover the varying depths and structure of trout rivers where I fish. T8 tips turn over fine and are reserved for deeper runs. This is on 4 & 5 weight switch rods and a 4 wt. trout spey. A 300 grain Commando will deliver a pretty serious payload.
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A 300 grain Commando will deliver a pretty serious payload.
What I'm getting confused with somewhat, is that Steve rates his rod at an 8wt single or a 6wt Spey (275-400gr). OPST says the same rating, however when I check the Rio website, they rate their 5wt Trout Skagit at an 8wt around 375gr.
Now I know it's never about the line weight and more about the grains and tapers, but such a vast deviation between same style lines has me questioning if I am choosing the right head grains. Steve mentioned a 300 to 325 grain Skagit is what I would like. OPST knows Steve's new blanks and says a 300 grain would be great. I think I will ignore what Rio says that an 8wt single Skagit is rated for 375 grains.


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What I'm getting confused with somewhat, is that Steve rates his rod at an 8wt single or a 6wt Spey (275-400gr). OPST says the same rating, however when I check the Rio website, they rate their 5wt Trout Skagit at an 8wt around 375gr.
Now I know it's never about the line weight and more about the grains and tapers, but such a vast deviation between same style lines has me questioning if I am choosing the right head grains. Steve mentioned a 300 to 325 grain Skagit is what I would like. OPST knows Steve's new blanks and says a 300 grain would be great. I think I will ignore what Rio says that an 8wt single Skagit is rated for 375 grains.


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I think Rio rates their lines for ultra fast rods - their line are always heavier than the competition
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Hey Mike,

Iím not sure if Iím understanding your dilemma correctly, so Iíll apologize in advance if Iím wrong here. But I do know that OPST has lower recommended grain weights compared to everyone else, so trying to compare to a competitorís recommendations will cause some confusion. Something about OPSTís grains per foot, and also taking the tip into consideration.

Either way, the few Iíve tried have been pretty much on the money based on their (OPST) recommendations.
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Yeah, once again I'm over thinking things
It's another case of comparing one manufacturer against the other ... sort of comparing a Mackintosh apple with a Golden Delicious apple
I'll stick with Steve's and OPST's recommendations.


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I'm confused.

Is an 8 wt rod in the micro skagit class? I thought micro was 4 wt and below.

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