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post #1 of 34 (permalink) Old 01-21-2019, 04:43 PM Thread Starter
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What would be considered a large fly for steelhead and still castable ...I'm heading to the OP for my first go at the fish. Thanks
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4 to 6 inches, but it all depends on visibility.

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How well does a 6" fly cast...I'm having trouble with the big stuff...Thanks
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Takes mass to to cast mass. 700+ grains usually.
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What's "big"? What are using to cast these "big" flies. What are the materials used? Are they heavily dressed or sparse? Lots of fur and lead or no weight and synthetics? It's all relative to what your trying to drive out there and what you driving it with.

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Trying to cast a butt monkey with a 9140 method ...675 skagit max and 50/50 t14 Imow..thanks
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Takes mass to to cast mass. 700+ grains usually.
I see a lot of reference to 8 wt's on the OP...can I assume that with t 11's 4" flies are more fitting?
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I see a lot of reference to 8 wt's on the OP...can I assume that with t 11's 4" flies are more fitting?

Yes it should, I will also add dont get caught up in big fly ideology. 90% of the fish caught out there are on beads, so fish what you have confidence in and put it in their face!

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Like said, it takes mass to cast mass! If you're gonna throw big flies, go with T-14 & a Skagit head with a big fat tip, .080Ø minimum. Save the T-11 for the smaller stuff. When in doubt, go heavier. You can always get the straight scoop on tossing junk from the OPST boys, they're just a phone call away. That 9140 can probably launch the heaviest Skagit head known to man. Not that you need that. Just try to avoid unnecessary bulk in those big flies. Rabbit strips and the like soak up a lot of water & make casting difficult.

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isn't 675 grains for that rod too light?
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isn't 675 grains for that rod too light?
The guys at Sage said there go to was a 675 standard skagit 15' of t14.
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I fish old school palmered marabou flies on the OP all the time and I've caught plenty of fish on them, red and orange, orange and pink, and black and blue being my favorites. Sometimes I string them out so I can use a smaller hook. On a Waddington, they sink just fine, especially if you don't overdress them. Of course, Intruders are fun to tie and they certainly work, too. Plenty of folks pointing out the mass-mass angle. It certainly has made a difference casting big flies with my trout set ups. I'd just say, don't think you have to throw a big intruder to catch an OP fish, especially if you're the 4th guy through the run where everyone is chucking giant Intruders.
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Trying to cast a butt monkey ..thanks
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that fly has rabbit strip, wool head and lead eyes. it's heavy dry and it's going to soak up alot of water.
The 9wt method is a powerful rod. it should cast that fly wet with mentioned fat mass lines.
Most of KG flies are meant for fast twitchy strip retrieve. I would use a 8 wt SH rod and strip retrieve that fly.
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98% of the winter flies I throw can be EASILY handled by t-11. if t-14 wont easily handle it, the fly is too big imo. if youre not having fun casting it, how will you feel about the fly 1,000 casts later ?
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I started a thread late fall called 'Sugar Pop' in the tying section. Similarly like you, I was looking for a large profile fly to be casted with a 4 D sink long belly line around 64 feet (complete line weight was 750 grains).

I ended up with a 4 to 4-1/2" tandem shank fly which I could single spey cast out to around 110-120 feet. However I was using a longer stick than you are probably poking the OP with.

Because it was a long belly line setup, the fly drag at hang down as well as minimal hydro weight were sensitive factors. I ended up tying Salmon style vs Round to keep the drag down. I also ended up using Big Fly Fur material for underwings and wings to minimize hydro weight. If you are using an offset shank, it would help the fly sink if you had a weighted cone on the fly as the fly can float momentarily on the surface upon landing on its side (thats how dry it sheds water to give the distance).

I think with a Skagit system, you can extend this concept to 6". The biggest problem I see with tandemizing a 6" is preventing the fly fouling. I shrink tube a little section that restricts the tandem link from over rotating without killing the action.
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