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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 08-25-2007, 12:55 PM Thread Starter
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Individual Skagit cheaters?

Hi Guys, I have a Rio Skagit 550 that I'd like to lengthen with a 5-foot cheater for my 8139 Burkheimer, but have only been able to find kits for $45 or so, no place I can just buy the cheater I need. Anyone know differently? Another question -- Do you think a 5 foot cheater on the 550 is the way to go with that rod? I'd appreciate your input. Thanks, Keith

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Get ahold of Poppy at the Red Shed. He can probably hook you up with an individual cheater and ansewer any other questions you may have. Kevin
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The Burkie 8139-3 likes skagit set-up ( head + tip) in 670-720 gr. The specific wight depends on your preference and amount of space you have behind. With a limited space it is
sometime advantageous to have extra grain to load the rod.
Depending on the distance you want to cast the head + tip should be in general in 2.7-3.5 times of the rod's length. The most universal length is about 3X, so in this cast it would be in 40-42' range.
When using Rio head ( 27') what you need to add is just 13-15' tip like wt. 10, 15' ( 150 gr) Rio tips which can be purchased separately in 3.9-8' /sec sink rate. . Even T-14 in 11' range will work well.

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Making your own

From my limited experience (one pair of 5' and 10' floating cheaters for a 650 grain Skagit), making your own is a very simple project. Just get an inexpensive DT or WF floating line (consider a nine-weight for your 550 gr. head), cut it into cheater lengths, add braided loops to each end, and go fishing. Intermediate fly lines are scarcer, but should be just as easy to cobble up. You can also customize, once you find that your favorite sink tip + the Skagit belly would balance perfectly with a 7.49' cheater.
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if you make one, consider using a chunk of 12 wt line. 12 wt runs around 15 gr/ft, compared to 20 gr/ft for the 550. I've used a 550 + 3' cheater + 12' T-14 on the 8139, works fine, though more recently I'm back on a custom line.

not willing to get into what qualifies as "skagit" anymore, but at the other end of the spectrum, the 8139 sings with a Windcutter 9/10/11 cut at 29' (400 gr) plus 15' 10 wt tips. It feels very light and nimble in this age of heavily loaded rods.

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I see blue devils point. Hard to find just a 5 foot cheater and the cheater kits are expensive and the kits have more cheaters than I probably need. (Granted, I did not get into spey fishing to save $$ but I'm not going to spend $45 for 5' of cheater).

If you make your own, say out of 9 wt. line, does anyone know which part of the taper you use?
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Parts to re-use...

Front end of the WF line, but you can use either (or both) ends of the DT line.

Obtaining new 'old-stock' from a shop, or even donated/very cheap line from a buddy sure is the most economical way of getting those cheaters you need.

If you have some grains scales, try cutting 6', and then weigh it, and cut more if needed.

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I see blue devils point. Hard to find just a 5 foot cheater
It is not hard to find single cheaters in any Rio factory made size. The Red Shed Fly Shop has them in stock @ $15.00 each. If you have a buddy that needs the same size you can get a 10'r and get by cheap enough for even the most frugal spey caster.

Also you shouldn't overlook the compensator models. I believe they have a definite place in the sinktip fisher's arsenal.

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Thanks Poppy, Steve

Steve, When you cut the 9/10/11 Windcutter, is that 29 feet back from the tip or 29 feet out from the back taper? I think the latter. Right. Also, you mention using a custom line on that rod. Would you care to elaborate. I'd like to fine-tune lines for this rod because it's the one I reach for most of the time, and I also don't like to cantilever very heavily loaded rods. Thanks, Keith.

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the 9/10/11 is 29' of the back taper. Good to start longer and work your way back.

the custom skagit is 570 grains, pretty simple design: 4' rear section (18 gr/ft), 16' belly (21 gr/ft), 9' front section (18 gr/ft). Not much different than a 550 + cheater, but the taper profile casts a bit smoother, like the difference between a ton of bricks and a ton of cinderblocks.

I tend towards extremes on the 8139 with shooting heads, loading very deep or very light. The middle range hasn't worked as well for me, ymmv

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