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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 03-01-2016, 09:31 AM Thread Starter
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Hardy Perfects 40's to now advice/info?

Hoping for some info on weights/quality of build, finishes etc for the years of Hardy salmon perfect builds from the 40's to now, as this info is very hard to find. Is a 50's perfect heavier and beefier than a 70's or 80's? I read sinktips excellent article, and understand that 30's and before perfects are in a different class than those after, but wondering if there are years between then and now that are superior. Thinking about it, I guess what I'm really looking for is info for all perfects that don't have circular writing. I bought my first 30's perfect and now have the "bug", it is big, heavy, just plain wonderful, hoping there might be some good post war perfects too. Having the bug I made the mistake of buying a 20 or 30 year old trout perfect and it's just a gigantic step down imo from the quality of the old salmon perfect. Thanks for all the great advice on this site!
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Those old reels from way back may be more desirable for certain, nostalgic reasons and as collectibles, but I don't know that they are necessarily better.

The aluminum alloys and manufacturing process has definitely improved since then. I don''t know about those from the 50 through the 80's but the most recent reels are turned out of solid bar-stock compared to being cast and turned on a lathe. I've got old reels from the 30's and they are lightly pitted - here and there. These are weak points that would never show in a modern re-issue made from solid bar stock. These weak spots are not too big an issue on the cage, they can be if the reel is dropped, but the spools are known to split under pressure of backing wound on tight. I've seen this happen to one of mine and so there are mixed reels out there. The modern anodized finish is permanent and therefore better than the enamel and even the leaded/lacquered finish of the old reels which could pose a health issue if one isn't careful. Think of all those old reels been handed down to young anglers.

But still, I like my old Perfect, and old St. John from the 30's. And I'd like to find an old Uniqua from that period , one with the telephone latch and tensioner screw.
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leaded/lacquered finish of the old reels which could pose a health issue if one isn't careful.
The "leaded" finish is lead in name only. There was no lead used in the finishing process of the old reels.
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Thanks for the replies! As I've continued the search (which is pretty fun!) for another salmon perfect, I've come across quite a few 50s salmon perfects, which are more expensive than recent years or a new. I am in no hurry and will just probably wait until the right pre war salmon 3 3/4 or 4 comes up, but woukd sure appreciate anyone with a 50s salmon sharing their thoughts.
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Thanks for the replies! As I've continued the search (which is pretty fun!) for another salmon perfect, I've come across quite a few 50s salmon perfects, which are more expensive than recent years or a new. I am in no hurry and will just probably wait until the right pre war salmon 3 3/4 or 4 comes up, but woukd sure appreciate anyone with a 50s salmon sharing their thoughts.
Not sure what your question is.
The recent hammer prices of perfects from the 50's have been very reasonable.
And the 50's reels fish very nicely.

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Unsure as to whether you can actually accurately 'measure' the build quality for the different ages of salmon Perfects:

There is such variability in check mechanisms, brass or aluminium feet, rivetted or screwed feet, two, three or four screws/rivets, and presence or absence of line guide.

However, I have done some measurements on some of my collection;

All are 3 3/4" salmon Perfects, and all but one are RHW:

c1900 - brass faced - no line guard - smoothe brass foot 3 1/4" long - overall weight 378g, spool weight 70g

c1900 - brass faced - no line guard - smoothe brass foot 3 1/4" long - overall weight 398g, spool weight 58g

c1920's - leaded - line guard - ribbed brass foot 3 1/8" long - overall weight 378g, spool weight 70g

c1920's - leaded - 'rings-up' line guard - LHW - smoothe brass foot 3 1/2" long - overall weight 368g, spool weight 69g

c1940's - 'spitfire' - line guard - ribbed brass foot 3 5/8" long - overall weight 382g, spool weight 84g

c1940's - leaded - line guard - ribbed brass foot 3" long - overall weight 387g, spool weight 69g

c1940's - leaded - line guard - smoothe ali foot 3 1/2" long - overall weight 356g, spool weight 82g

c1950's - enamel - line guard - ribbed brass foot 2 5/8" long - overall weight 366g, spool weight 76g

c1970's - 'spitfire' - line guard - ribbed ali foot 2 5/8" long - overall weight 347g, spool weight 77g

c1970's - enamel - line guard - ribbed brass foot 3 5/8" long - overall weight 388g, spool weight 77g

c1970's - enamel - line guard - ribbed ali foot 2 5/8" long - overall weight 352g, spool weight 77g

c1980's - enamel - line guard - ribbed ali foot 2 5/8" long - overall weight 352g, spool weight 77g

c1980's - enamel - no line guard - ribbed brass foot 3 5/8" long - overall weight 365g, spool weight 78g

c1980's - 'spitfire' - line guard - ribbed brass foot 3 1/2" long - overall weight 376g, spool weight 70g

c1980's - 'spitfire' - no line guard - ribbed brass foot 2 3/4" long - overall weight 339g, spool weight 70g



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Thank you!!! Incredibly nice of you to post this, exactly the type of info I was hoping for.
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The data on the 4" Perfects seems to be a bit more variable:

All 4" salmon Perfects:

c1900 - brass faced - 1903 line guide - smoothe brass foot 3 1/2" long - overall weight 449g, spool weight 59g

c1900 - brass faced - 1903 line guide - smoothe brass foot 3 1/2" long - overall weight 450g, spool weight 80g

c1900 - brass faced - no line guide - smoothe brass foot 3 3/4" long - overall weight 530g, spool weight 104g

c1900 - brass faced - no line guide - smoothe brass foot 3 3/4" long - overall weight 488g, spool weight 92g

c1910's - leaded - 1912 check - line guide - smoothe brass foot 3 7/8" long - overall weight 417g, spool weight 74g

c1910's - leaded - 1912 check - line guide - smoothe brass foot 3 3/4" long - overall weight 401g, spool weight 79g

c1910's - leaded - 1912 check - line guide - smoothe brass foot 3 3/4" long - overall weight 436g, spool weight 76g

c1920 - leaded - no line guide - smoothe ali foot 3 1/2" long - overall weight 366g, spool weight 72g

c1920 - leaded - line guide - smoothe brass foot 3 3/4" long - overall weight 419g, spool weight 80g

c1930 - leaded - no line guide - shortened ribber brass foot @ 2 3/4" long - overall weight 383g, spool weight 72g

c1930 - leaded - no line guide - ribbed brass foot 3 1/2" long - overall weight 397g, spool weight 76g

c1940 - leaded - line guide - ribbed brass foot 3 5/8" long - overall weight 427g, spool weight 82g

c1940 - leaded - line guide - ribbed brass foot 3 5/8" long - overall weight 435g, spool weight 85g

c1940 - leaded - line guide - smoothe ali foot 3 1/2" long - overall weight 382g, spool weight 81g

c1960?? - unfinished apprentice reel - line guard - smoothe ali foot 2 3/4" long - overall weight 359g, spool weight 74g

c1970 - enamel - no line guard - ribbed brass foot 2 5/8" long - overall weight 380g, spool weight 92g

c1980 - 'spitfire' - line guard - ribbed brass foot 2 5/8" long - overall weight 395g, spool weight 86g

c1980 - 'spitfire' - line guard - smoothe brass foot 3 3/4" long - overall weight 398g, spool weight 72g

re-intro c2005 - enamel - line guard - smoothe ali foot 2 3/8" long - overall weight 338g, spool weight 86g





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Thanks for those last two posts, Mike. I can use them in my defense, if need be, of my own apparently minor affliction.
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The "leaded" finish is lead in name only. There was no lead used in the finishing process of the old reels.
Ah. So the bare aluminum was coated with graphite which is carbo-based and inert. The reels were then finished with a coat of lacquer. OK - I learned something today and feel that much better about my small collection of reels.

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