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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 10-26-2005, 08:01 PM Thread Starter
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Snowbee Scandi head question

I've got the 44' 370gr Scandi head for my new, beloved Torridge. My question is about the taper--it seems "backwards" to me, in that the thickest part of the head is closer to the running line than the leader, and the leader end seems awfully long and thin until it thickens up. But from what I can determine from the specs on Snowbee's website, the front taper is 10' long, and the rear taper is so short they don't even indicate one. I paced off the front taper, and it seems right (10').

I've found that while spey casting (though at my level, it's really "spey" casting) on a river, this head will turn over a long leader, or a 10' fast-sink poly-leader and heavy fly no problem. But when I over-head, the front end collapses, that is, there doesn't seem to be enough energy to turn the whole thing over.

Of course, the operator could refine his technique and solve this problem, but
I'm tempted to turn the head around and try over-heading that way. Any thoughts?

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post #2 of 8 (permalink) Old 10-26-2005, 08:13 PM
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You may be overloading the rod with that head.

Looking at the specs for the torridge it looks like you have the wrong head for the rod. It seems like the 310 grain line is the one that is reccomended for the rod. This could be the reason you can spey cast it OK but not overhead. Overhead in most cases takes less grainage than spey casting. This is due to when spey casting the whole weight of the line is not used like when you overhead.

The line configuration you noticed is pretty standard I think with scando lines. Most of them do not have much of a back taper at all. It really just sounds like you are overloading the rod.

And in the end it just may not overhead well. Very few spey lines out there overhead as well as they spey cast. The new RIO outbound lines do OK at both but are better for overhead. You just cannot have just one line I guess

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Ah. Thanks, Sean! It may very well be that 370 gr is too much for over-heading. Jack (who sold me the rod) says that the 310gr rec. is for overheading. Aaron told me he thought 310 was too light for spey, and I agreed after trying the heavier line.

It'd be nice if I could find a 310 or so head of about 35 - 38', like the Outbound, for the beach.

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Hey Tom I bet the 8wt Rio outbound (maybe even the 7wt, maybe a little light) would serve you well off the beach. 37.5' long and 330 grains. I use the outbound out here on the east coast and it would be a dandy line for fishing out there. I miss Seattle...

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Tom,

Have you tried stripping in a bit of the head when you overhead?
Just a thought.

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Yes, it has ocurred to me to strip in some of the head--I'll try it next time out.

As for the Outbound--what I'd like is to just buy the head, and not the whole integrated line. I'm sure there are other manufacturers out there with long-ish (but not too long) heads.

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Tom,

Just picked up the same rod and line. I thought the lighter (310 grn) head was too light for the rod and the 370 grain head works much better for me, though it feels a touch heavy. With the color change inside of the rod it does its thing pretty well but once the color change gets outside of the guides things start to go downhill speycasting. The rod throws nice loops overhead with the color change somewhere around my hands, but it did better spey casting for me. Wish the line was about 340 grains, but what can ya do?
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Dr.,

I spent a good part of today at the weekly gathering at the Tolt/Snoqualmie confluence, working on the Scandi underhanded style cast. Mike, one of the instructors, helped me out. I found that 6" to a foot of over-hang (the color change just outside the tip-top) works fine for me, and I was able to acutally shoot 15 - 20 feet of line while laying out some nice, tight, straight switch casts. I feel pretty good for a beginner.

Overhead, I allow the same over-hang. I just pick the whole thing up and shoot with one back cast. I need to work on it some more--maybe I'll get more of the head in like you do.
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