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Skagit Leaders?

Well, I figure we might as well take full advantage of the WEALTH of knowledge on the subject of Skagit casts and equipment. Thanks to all who have been so willing to share what they have learned, you have added richly to these discussions.

Well, the casts, lines, and appropriate rods have been very well explained, but I am curious about the choice for leaders, especially for fishing floating tips.

I am pretty anal about my leaders, as to me, they make a HUGE difference in how effectively I am fishing. When they turn over well, the fly is under tension and doing its thing right away. When the leader fails to properly turn over, the swing isn't swinging until that whole mess gets a chance to staighten out, and that can mean missed fish. Watching your fly land on top of the tip of your fly line, after the line forms a nice tight loop, casting into a stiff breeze, is rather annoying.

So in thinking about this, it would seem that with a sustained anchor type of cast, a long leader would be unnecessary, but maybe I am missing something. Well, that should do, thanks in advance.
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Ra, as far as I know does not fish floating tips. the Skagit fishery is primarily a winter ,spring run which requires a sink tip most of the time. The leader on the 9-10 foot sinktip is usually 3-4ft depending on water clarity.Beau
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Ra's style of skagit casting was designed to cast big lead eye intruders with ease. not a problem with floating lines and small flies. if you want to use the later, just use the normal 10ft leader added on to you floating tip. I guess weight wise you may want to trimm some line off the tip. probably try it full and trim back a little if it feels too heavy until it feels correct.Beau
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I use the same leader lengths as Beau.

Re you thought that "with a sustained anchor type of cast, a long leader would be unnecessary, but maybe I am missing something..."

Spey casting is easier with long leaders and folks use them with floating lines. It has been reported on this board that some Scandinavian casters use 25-foot leaders with the short heads that are preferred.

A long leader assists the anchor and makes the amount of fly line in contact with the water a bit less critical. However for sinking line fishing, three to four-foot leaders are necessary for fly depth, and for me at least, the anchor is harder to get just right.

Adding to anchor difficulty with sink tips is the fact that sinking tips are black, so seeing the critical leader-fly line junction is tough.

I wonder if anyone has coated sink tips with a light color.
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Re: Leaders

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob Pauli
[B]Dr S:

Spey casting is easier with long leaders and folks use them with floating lines. It has been reported on this board that some Scandinavian casters use 25-foot leaders with the short heads that are preferred.



Bob, given what RA has told us about the differences between Skagit casting and Scandianvian casting, it would seem, to me, that the 17-25 foot leader the underhanded casters use would not be necessary for skagit casting. Given that the line is anchored in Skagit casting, rather than just the leader, as in Underhand casting, the excess leader wouldn't be a big advantage and I would think that a well constructed 10-12 foot leader would turn over better than a well constructed 17-25 foot leader, all things being equal. This is what prompted my intitial question.

Yes, for Tips, the short leader is the way to go, to keep the flies down. Haven't seen any light tips, but maybe somebody else has.
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what do you mean by light tips?Beau
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Beau, that was a VERY poorly worded reference to Bob's mention of lighter COLORED sink tips above. Sorry.
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