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Who is Perry as in Perry poke?

just a thought, anyone know who this poking Perry is? Is it even named after a person?
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Not sure if his name is spelled with a "C" or a "K", so my apologies if it's wrong. He's Carl Perry, an Oregonian and a damn fine angler who is an ardent, accomplished Single Spey Caster. Yep, the poke is born from Carl salvaging a blown anchor on his single spey. The rest is history.....
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Carl Perry. The poke was born using a single hand rod where there is little to no backcast room. Dump and roll cast. He applied it to two hand casting when first learning. To fix a blown or misplaced anchor. Same dump and then roll cast.

He is a very accomplished two hand caster. Don't think I have seen him poke more than a handful of times over the past decade. Just not part of his two hand style.
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Well ... "The Poke" goes well back before Carl.

Brit's had been doing this for 'a hundred years' before we ever saw same in our corner of the world. They just considered same a variation of a roll cast.

Why it took fire here was the relative newness of 2hander rods. Great cast in and by itself; even as a 'you just blew one' recovery cast there's nothing better that I've ever tried/executed.

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I thought George Cook coined the term after seeing Carl Perry doing his "recovery" cast, and Carl was never really comfortable with having this cast named after him??
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Brit's had been doing this for 'a hundred years' before we ever saw same in our corner of the world. They just considered same a variation of a roll cast.

Why it took fire here was the relative newness of 2hander rods. Great cast in and by itself; even as a 'you just blew one' recovery cast there's nothing better that I've ever tried/executed.

Just my .02 cents.

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It "took fire here" because of Ed Ward's refinements and diligent use of it as a primary cast. He lit the match...

The business of "poking" is/should be natural and instinctive to any experienced caster. It is, of course, a means of creating slack that can then be applied to a D-loop. One can cast one's self out of anything with a well-placed poke. It's no surprise it's been in use for as long as spey casting has been around. I personally don't use it much as a primary cast. It's there when I need it though.
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Yes, the maneuver we call the Perry Poke must have been employed for as long as spey rods have been around. During my learning phase, I frequently overpowered an upstream lift or pull to an anchor position, and so had to either do some kind of maneuver to bring the fly closer to me, or let it drift downstream toward me, which worked but wasted time. At the same time, I was reading in this forum about something called the Perry Poke, and wondering what that might be.

Now we all know. I think Carl Perry should be honored to have it named for him. "Perry Poke" has a pleasing alliteration. BTW, I don't think is a separate spey cast. Rather, it's a corrective procedure that may be applied to any spey cast that goes astray on its way to a proper anchor point.
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Rather than a recovery cast

It is my go to cast when casting weighted flies off the upstream shoulder. Circle cast, Snap-T didn't get the name "snapped tip" for nothing.

I fish because the voices inside my head tell me to.
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Carl never has claimed he invented the move. He knows he didn't invent the move. It was just something he figured out, all on his own when people really were all on their own, using the single hand rod to get a better roll cast when your back was against a wall. The two handed stuff was out of convenience to fix casts. The moniker was applied by others, not him. It was Steve Kruse relaying the poke to whoever he did on the Skagit.
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Carl never has claimed he invented the move. He knows he didn't invent the move. It was just something he figured out, all on his own when people really were all on their own, using the single hand rod to get a better roll cast when your back was against a wall. The two handed stuff was out of convenience to fix casts. The moniker was applied by others, not him. It was Steve Kruse relaying the poke to whoever he did on the Skagit.
Steve was visiting Ed and I. We were all on The Mixer (Sauk Bar) on The Skagit, and the river was blown to smitherines. We were just sharing casting ideas as you do at times like that. That's when Steve excitedly showed Ed and I what he learned from Carl. I believe it was 1993.
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Looks like you got your answer and a whole lot more.
as usual! thanks for the info and the entertaining tidbits. Don´t start fighting over this now, I expect heated debates about everything and nothing on scandinavian forums (since they are all iced in by now and really grumpy) but here it´s Steelhead time (hence me being here and not in scandinavia). I think I will go out and poke a couple out of a sweet tailout soon, very soon
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poke

Been useing this cast on the north umpqua with a sh rod for about thirty years.
Didn't know there was a name for it until about five years ago.
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Steve was visiting Ed and I. We were all on The Mixer (Sauk Bar) on The Skagit, and the river was blown to smitherines. We were just sharing casting ideas as you do at times like that. That's when Steve excitedly showed Ed and I what he learned from Carl. I believe it was 1993.
I believe it was late July 94 when I ran into Ed Ward on the Nisqually River. This was the first time I ever saw anyone perform the poke. Although Ed did not get into the who/where/and when, he did explain why he used the poke. And it was very much as what some have stated above: To correct anchor placement. Specifically during a double spey when the fly lands either too close or up-stream of the casting shoulder.
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Gus McCrae said "A man who wouldn't cheat for a poke don't want one bad enough."
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Steve was visiting Ed and I. We were all on The Mixer (Sauk Bar) on The Skagit, and the river was blown to smitherines. We were just sharing casting ideas as you do at times like that. That's when Steve excitedly showed Ed and I what he learned from Carl. I believe it was 1993.
And now you get the other blanks filled in...

Thanks for sharing Dec!
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