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hairwings, married wing and feather wing flies

i see some of the guys who post in the fly tying thread the varieties of the above flies which some of you guys tie superb flies, so much so that i would not want to wreck them by letting a fish have a chew on them, but i refer to classics like the green butt skunk (a fly i have become very fond of, even seen them as a tube and a humpy variant, awesome colour combo) and the orange herron etc.
My question is do you generaly fish these flies on a floating line with maybe flurocarbon leader as the only 'weight' or do you fish these deep on heavy tips etc?
I realise they are probably suitable for any depth you like but is there a level they excel at, like in a shallow swift head or tail of a pool and due to the lack of weight becides the hook they swim in maybe the top 1-2ft of the water? or do they excel at the opposite, in deep slow pools?

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Sometimes I use polyleaders other times just a mono leader. I don't want to be on the stones, I want the fly to be above the steelhead so they have to come and get it.

They excel in all water types, the puppeteer is what makes the difference.
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I use heavy tips and mono leaders because of our water conditions here in the Interior rivers. When I drive down to fish the Anchor River I go with floater and sight fish to shallow trout. I have found that any of the flies I tie from the Whitlock Sculpin to a Bush Doctor will catch the fish shallow or deep. My leader for the shallow is my own build having a three foot braided butt to which I have a tapered leader knotted and cut back to allow a bit of customizing for conditions. I never tip lighter than 8 - 10 pound on it.



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I fish my dee's on a medium to heavy sink tip,, depending on river depth, pool depth and water conditions. When i lose one i simply tie on another
Losing a well tied fly almost has its own magic. I can still remember the same rock that took the first two Island Dees to be swung in Margaree. I think fondly of those two flies resting at the bottom of Ethridge,, and wish the fish i took from that rock later in the week had have come to one of those Dees,, perhaps he would if only i made it by that big old stone
I can only say don't fish them if your scared to lose them.
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If you like the Green butt skunk - here are a few to chose from!!!

http://www.royaltreatmentflyfishing....Fly_Plate.html

Here is a fish that ate a wonderful tie by Scott O'Donnell on the Grand Ronde - floating line

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I am enamored with hairwings! I occasionally fish smaller spey, or tubes.
I prefer to fish near the surface(the boil is killer). However, I do use unweighted flies on tips when the sun is high.
As for deep pools, I don't find them very productive. I don't get the chance to fish for true "winter steelhead" in my neck of the woods. Besides, the grab from an Idaho stray in hard water is undescribable! I've literaly fallen into the Deschutes after having my fly blasted!
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I use classic flies in all situations. If the water is off-color, I go to a larger profile feather wing with color. For clearer water, I try to get away with low-water hairwings, combined slip-wings, or even smaller married wings. The key is confidence. As recently as Dec's book, classic flies were touted, but recently, the trends are toward larger profile flashy marabou/craft fur creations, intruders, or rabbit strips. These also work very well.

Classic flies work as well as anything. After all, how did all those guys in the past catch anything if they were not using the most modern, up-to-date creation that made everything before obsolete?

The fish don't know the flies I use are obsolete, and I for one, will not tell them....

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I fish my "classic" type patterns almost always with a floating line and floating polyleader. With tips (winter fish) I usually tie on a marabou thingy.

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I fish fully built classic atlantics on a skagit line (+/- tips) while listening to my iPod with an Egg McMuffin in my wader pocket and a Marlbro Light in the corner of my mouth.

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I fish fully built classic atlantics on a skagit line (+/- tips) while listening to my iPod with an Egg McMuffin in my wader pocket and a Marlbro Light in the corner of my mouth.
Oh the atrocity!!!!!
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I fish them with floating and sinking tips, all the way to type 8 sink tips. This included fishing some select full-dress, married wing salmon flies in winter on my long 16'-18' 11 and 12 wt rods with type 6 and type 8 sink tips. In other words, I fish classic flies (featherwing, dee, spey, married wing, hair wing, grubs, etc.) with the same lines as folks use with bunny flies, etc. The line simply takes the fly to the fish and different water and temp conditions require different lines (floating and sinktip) to get the fly to the fish.
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I fish fully built classic atlantics on a skagit line (+/- tips) while listening to my iPod with an Egg McMuffin in my wader pocket and a Marlbro Light in the corner of my mouth.
Now that's the spirit ! If I'm in for the long haul I wear an old Filson strap vest / pack full of beer. I don't use an iPod because hearing is a good thing in many places I fish, and carrying food can lead to trouble. I have never seen a bear that I thought was attracted to the smell of my IPA so I'll stay the course.

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Funny funny stuff!! Erik I spend probably an hour of everyday drooling over your flies on your blog! Anadromous I'm right there with you! If I haven't had a grab I'll cast, make my mend and try and light a butt ZZZZZZIIIINNNNNGGGGG fish on nearly everytime! Ard yeah I imagine where your fishing you carry an egg mcmuffin you might as well tie a porkchop around your neck!!! But I tend to over research everything to death and once read that the hairwings and other "stiffer" traditionals are fished best in the faster water giving the color, flash and profile while the marabous and bunnies fish better in the slower stuff looking alive. It never mattered to me though I fish the fly with confidence no matter what water and I catch enough to keep me happy.

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...Salmon hook...that's what I tied my bronze mallard feather wing black spey hackle with gold ribbing,and yellow guinea hackle collar...to...wow that is hard to say in one breath....and caught a nice steelie swing'n it...as far as eating goes...well breakfast in the morn'.....and....well today in celabration of the steelie....and ole' harley's casting critique...well we went to harveys I had one burger loaded,Harley had two ala carte'...and half my fries....maybe something about my casting he didn't like....like I said sometimes it is so hard to tell!!!

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