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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 04-17-2020, 05:15 PM Thread Starter
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Contacting the powers that be

Below is an email I received today from Red's Fly shop on the Yakima. I, and apparently many others, are in favor of opening up Washington's rivers on a limited basis. If you agree, perhaps this may help.

It's my hope that we can make something positive happen

"Dear _____,

As you are aware, a moratorium on recreational fishing in Washington State was issued by Governor Inslee on March 25th as part of the "Stay Home, Stay Healthy" mandates. Identified as a non-essential business, we closed our guide services, storefront, and scaled back to only essential staff as outlined in the Governor's orders. We continue to maintain the shop and administration, and process online orders, but these orders are primarily for anglers in other parts of the country enjoying the solitude and social-distancing that fishing provides.

Since the Governor’s order, we've been contacted by thousands of frustrated anglers in Washington State who feel the fishing ban is unfair and unnecessary, and want to know what they can do to request change. We understand this rising frustration, because to our knowledge Washington is the only state in the country that has prohibited the act of fishing. Everywhere else has adopted a "Fish Local, Stay Healthy" mentality, keeping within their own state lines and even their own counties.

We are happy to facilitate the discussion, but want to be very clear about our intentions. This is about do-it-yourself fishing not our outfitting business. This is about you, not us. Red's will still be subject to any state mandated business restrictions, even if fishing is opened back up. We can assure you that our efforts are not self-serving. Several of us here are fathers and fishing is part of our family culture, and all of us rely on fishing to help maintain both mental and physical health.

We think folks should be allowed to get outside and fish. We also understand that protective measures need to be taken when traveling to and from other geographic areas in the act of fishing. Provided social distancing is maintained, travel can be limited, and proper behaviors and personal hygiene are observed, fishing should be allowed in Washington State waters.

We have contacted Governor Inslee's office, the director of WDFW, and our local State Senators and Representatives to communicate our position. If you are of similar mind, or have other ideas; you can take action by contacting your representatives and voicing your opinion as well.


Actions You Can Take:
Email Director Susewind at WDFW [email protected]
Contact Governor Jay Inslee's team with a letter explaining your stance on this issue. https://www.governor.wa.gov/office-g...executive-team
Determine who your State Senator is and contact them: Senators
Contact your State Representative: Representatives

Sincerely,

Your Friends at Red's Fly Shop - Stay Safe!
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When contacting these folks it occurs to me that a unified approach may be the way to go. Obviously, we need to avoid arguing against the original ban and instead suggest that we move to the next step if we want to have any chance of success.

I would think that we will need to agree to maintain social distancing rules. That would mean only people who live in the same house could fish out of a boat together. Let's talk about this and develop an approach strategy.
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Social distancing? Hell, I drive alone to the river, which is all of ten miles from home. Even under normal circumstances, I usually always have my favorite run all to myself. I swing flies on close to 80/100 ft of line, which means I never get closer than the amount of line I have out on the down river side. Anyone swinging flies behind me, will do pretty much do the same. I doubt very much the local sheriff (game warden in Or) is going to bother coming back into the area I fish while this lock down is on. Were I not so heavily involved in a major redo of my hot rod right now, I'd be taking full advantage of this.

It has been my experience that writing to politicians produces about the same results as beating ones head against the wall. But have at it.

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When contacting these folks it occurs to me that a unified approach may be the way to go. Obviously, we need to avoid arguing against the original ban and instead suggest that we move to the next step if we want to have any chance of success.

I would think that we will need to agree to maintain social distancing rules. That would mean only people who live in the same house could fish out of a boat together. Let's talk about this and develop an approach strategy.
I understand the need for social distancing. I understand the need to stay healthy and help other do the same. However, elections have consequences, and politicians don't always know best. I went to the beach at Tybee Island today with my wife for a walk and they have the beach access closed except for a few points of egress. The egress points were manned by Georgia Highway Patrol in cruisers enforcing the rules of no chairs, coolers, etc, that would indicate a lengthy stay at the beach. Rivers are harder to patrol than a beach but folks need to get out and recreate. There are a lot of good points brought up on this forum ,especially by members of the medical community who see things from the front lines, for opening up access and keeping it closed. I respect and understand all points of view but pussy footing around with elected officials is another matter. TELL them what you think and MAKE them understand that elections have consequences. They work for you. Not the other way around.
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I like the tone of of this message a lot, as I do personally think that there could/should be some room for limited recreation while also recognizing and supporting the basis for the ban. Certainly at some point the restrictions (I’m speaking more broadly here than just Washington) will need to be reassessed and modified as conditions warrant. I’m always in favor of these types of approaches, as it has been my experience that they often work out a lot better for everyone. If I were in Gov. Inslee’s shoes, I would probably be in favor of opening up certain areas to fishing and other forms of recreation; however I would have major concerns for what might happen to those more rural areas if they are “open” while many others are still “closed”. So, in my opinion, that issue is probably one of the most important to ponder. Related to that issue, is how certain rural communities feel about it, I know that in many it’s more contentious of an issue than it is among the urban city dwellers.

I’m not trying to shoot your ideas down at all, I’m offering this as food for thought. If some good solutions can be brought up to address those issues, I think the odds of it being successful would be much better. I also think getting an initial easing of restrictions is only half the battle here. If restrictions are lifted, and it doesn’t go well, it could actually backfire overall in the bigger picture; so we need it to be reasonably well implemented. I think the first few layers will be especially important to get right. I have a few ideas, based on how things have been unfolding here, but I have a feeling these are things that locals probably have a much better sense of the specifics.
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. I respect and understand all points of view but pussy footing around with elected officials is another matter. TELL them what you think and MAKE them understand that elections have consequences. They work for you. Not the other way around.
Yes and no. Having tried plenty of both, and lots more somewhere between those two; I can tell you that there is a line where they stop listening. In my experience, there are two things here: one is just a raw numbers thing, where the details of your comments aren’t really important (just a “for” or “against”). On the other hand, especially when the numbers of letters or calls is lower, I do know that intelligent, well thought out perspectives tend to get a bit more weight than just ranting at them. The latter approach has its time and place though... I often find those letters more satisfying! For results, I think some level of diplomacy is helpful.
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Ok watching this close as we shut the other thread down. If this looks like it is going to be the sequel it gets closed too.

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Yes and no. Having tried plenty of both, and lots more somewhere between those two; I can tell you that there is a line where they stop listening. In my experience, there are two things here: one is just a raw numbers thing, where the details of your comments aren’t really important (just a “for” or “against”). On the other hand, especially when the numbers of letters or calls is lower, I do know that intelligent, well thought out perspectives tend to get a bit more weight than just ranting at them. The latter approach has its time and place though... I often find those letters more satisfying! For results, I think some level of diplomacy is helpful.
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Ranting=yelling at the lamp shade. I don't respond well to people ranting or yelling at me and I don't think most folks are any different. However, politicians do work for the people and if the people make a good case either by sheer numbers or a well positioned argument then those are the roads we go down. I don't favor just ranting for or against but like I said before elections have consequences.
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Ok watching this close as we shut the other thread down. If this looks like it is going to be the sequel it gets closed too.
Its all getting too political but I did post a like to two of his comments. No haters here.
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Not an ounce of hate here either, nor did I get any sense of any from the OP. Quite the contrary, I personally thought the content, and the tone of this sounds quite open minded and reasonable. Maybe it didn’t come off in my response, but it seems to me like this is a good approach, and that coming together with some angler based solutions would be a good thing at some point in time one way or another.
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Not an ounce of hate here either, nor did I get any sense of any from the OP. Quite the contrary, I personally thought the content, and the tone of this sounds quite open minded and reasonable. Maybe it didn’t come off in my response, but it seems to me like this is a good approach, and that coming together with some angler based solutions would be a good thing at some point in time one way or another.
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Well lets use this opportunity to move forward. Ill follow your lead.
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Don’t worry Sinktip, I’ll just be on the sidelines on this one buddy 👍👍
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Jason and others,

Jason your thoughts are great points and well crafted.

I'm guessing that individual e-mails or text messages may be more effective than a petition, however, a petition can be written that shows coherent unity and respect. I'd sure like to know both your thoughts and the thoughts of others on this forum.

Does anyone here have successful/effective experience with either of these forms of digital persuasion? My experience is limited to the pre-mid 80's era when these things were done by snail mail.
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Thanks, I was starting think maybe my comments came off differently than intended. You do raise a good point, and to be honest most of my more positive experiences are with phone calls or in person city counsel meetings. I do send off a fair number of emails, and online petitions too, results being mixed. My sense is that different media can do slightly different things, so a multi layered approach is always a good idea. I think you are on the right track, try to gather some workable solutions from a broad range of ideas, then distill them down to a petition letter, get as many signatures as possible and send to various agencies as well as the Governor.

I also realize that it may not be within a reasonable time frame to do so, but obviously the more hard data that you can gather to support your statements the better. I think one very important thing to remember when we think of “fishing”, is that our own visions of isolation while swinging flies isn’t the same vision that many others have when they think of “fishing”; it’s certainly the “other kinds of fishing” that needs addressing. Maybe we could just open up the rivers for a temporary “swinging only” season... a man can dream right?

Hard to say what, if any, concessions this might result in, or how soon; but on the other hand it can’t hurt either, and lots of folks have excess time on their hands right now. My thinking is that regardless of the immediate results, getting more angler to input ideas on the issues will still be a positive thing for several reasons. I wish you the best of luck pulling people together on this.
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I heard today that the stated concern with reopening fishing relates to folks traveling to other counties. I'm guessing that it's not the traveling itself that is the perceived problem, but rather the need to use restrooms. Since my wife and I always travel with our travel trailer it didn't occur to me that traveling necessitated any contact with people.

The bottom line is that recent increased testing of this virus is beginning to provide massive data and new conclusions are being reached almost daily. I think we may be a week or two premature in our attempt to assemble a rational case for reopening because of this moving target. The news about the Stanford coronavirus study is one case in point.

Clearly, this is just my observation and is not definitive so please lend you insight.
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