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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 04-13-2020, 11:55 AM Thread Starter
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member region locations?

Just curious, has there ever been any data calculated on the various regions, both in the US and internationally on where Speypage members are from? We all have different typical types of waters and even fish that we are presented with that dictate the type of fishing, more specifically 2 hand casting is preferred. I am located in the Northeast where typically rivers are smaller than those in the Northwest but similar in size to Southeast Alaska, where I also fish. A lot of the rivers I see in Europe are typically large.
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One of the reasons we ask our members to add a location is to tell where they are from and where they fish. That usually helps someone answer a question knowing where the member is and what kind of geographical, or climate variables they face.
Less than 60% of our members fill in those fields.
As far as data collected ... not sure of any recorded data available. At least that I am aware of.


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Small pond with bass and bluegill, almost the worst possible two handed fishing conditions I could dream of...almost. At the same time, that little pond and those little fish are a much needed connection to where I really wish I was right now. I had dreams of huge surface grabs last night, only these ones were not from bass on my pond; they were from shiny steelhead on an emerald green stream with banks studded with moss covered cliffs, Douglas Fir and Cedar trees.
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I see on a number of member ID's for posts that nothing is listed for a location, which I think is a shame. For water I have a particular interest in, say the Salmon River in Pulaski, NY or streams in Southeast Alaska, I follow certain member posts, especially for flies to see what they are using, what works and what does not, when and how often they go, etc. which I think adds a lot of interest to their posts. Again, maybe just me and we are all free to do it or not.
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I agree with you, for all the stated reasons you listed. One of the things that I’ve really come to value is the broad range of experiences the members here have to share. In terms of tying, equipment, and fishing strategies... it’s a pretty cool thing we have. It is often more relevant if the proper context is understood though, as various regional conditions do play a part in some of these topics.
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Small pond with bass and bluegill, almost the worst possible two handed fishing conditions I could dream of...almost. At the same time, that little pond and those little fish are a much needed connection to where I really wish I was right now. I had dreams of huge surface grabs last night, only these ones were not from bass on my pond; they were from shiny steelhead on an emerald green stream with banks studded with moss covered cliffs, Douglas Fir and Cedar trees.JB
Being on the west coast of BC (Vancouver Island), I suppose I'm in an area you dream of...and I dream of fishing for bass one day, which I've never done....I guess the grass is always greener...etc.......
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I think this is a really great discussion topic. When I first got into fly fishing I spent a good deal of time searching for more geo specific information. I'm also a nerd for data... There are poorly adopted apps out there which try to help show what people are fishing where; bad/lacking data = poor app output. But, alas, us fishermen have had to fight for what knowledge we have learned, and those with true wisdom have spent lifetimes curating their golden nuggets of know-how. Because of this the prospect of sharing our hard won information is a tall order. I will say that this forum is incredibly open to assisting those willing to learn and ask - so thank you for all that have assisted me and others in their journey. Humbly, I am on the early end of my learning curve and have a great amount of failure and challenges ahead before I can grace the tables of the fishermen/women on this forum.

I think what unites us fly fishers is the constant pursuit of learning - for me this is why I love fly fishing so much. There are no silver bullets or shortcuts. The more you learn, the more you become aware of how much you still have left to learn; a continual journey without a defined finish line. No magic lures or squid scent sold for 3 installments of $19.99... nor would we want them.

That said, I do think there could be some cool outputs of "reasonable" community data collection about who's having success where/how. Not talking about revealing secret holes! I wonder though if there would be interest in a nice data output that showed who was fishing in what system (i.e. Skagit, Yakima, Queets systems...), what they caught (species, approx size grouping, hatchery/wild, etc.), and maybe something about tackle. All anonymous and voluntary. Potential to share this data back to local wildlife departments and NGOs (especially the normally unnecessary catch and release figures). If this is something of interest I can think about a means and method. We'll see if this group hates that idea or loves it... Anything conceived would need to not risk the local expertise of guides/shops in the business and ideally help conservation. Anyway, it's a thought and I'm sure most here have thought more extensively about the benefits and risks of knowledge sharing - open to your thoughts and critiques.

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Although I can see the merits in your proposal I can also the negative effects.

Social media has enabled a lot of people to connect, share, learn and be part of online communities. That is the great benefit of social media. You can ask advice, offer pearls of wisdom, and discuss ideas. A great evolution in the way we connect with like minded people and share information that wasn’t around twenty years ago.

Unfortunately social media has unwanted side affects. These include publicising fishing spots that produce fish that the masses of the general public can cherry pick information. Before social media the only way to know where to fish was reading books, joining a fishing club, or god forgive search out yourself. Although I like your idea of listing what style/colours of flies, techniques etc work on different watersheds at different times of the year (and this would be a great learning resource for myself), some of the information on what is fishing well would be detrimental.

It has been evidenced that by publisizing that river XX is fishing well, suddenly great numbers of anglers descend on that river putting undue pressure there. A quick online search can bring up recent posts on social media showing “this place is going off”. Then watch the anglers wanting a quick answer of “where do I fish” descend. Unfortunately it will not be the intended purpose of the data but the consequence. If you posted that river xx had a large run of steelhead with exceptional size, watch out for huge numbers of anglers on the water there post lockdown.

Back to the original post though, it would be great if everyone listed their home area.
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I am sure the last thing most any of us want is spot burning a particular river. I love looking at the fly tying forum but sometimes can only guess, probably incorrectly what region the poster is from. In fact, I am always guessing the large majority of the 25,000 members Mike mentioned in a previous posts that belong to Speypages are somewhere on the west coast, California up to BC, especially on the Washington State/Olympic Peninsula. But, and of interest to me are anglers using 2 handed rods that do not fish for trout, steelhead or salmon. Jason mentioned bass and that is something I am planning to do this summer on tribs off the Hudson River, NY which I am looking forward to it. Less than an hour's drive and plenty of big water well suited to spey casting. Or surf fishing for stripers with some of the beautiful Snowrunner baitfish patterns tied by Yooper-Fly he recently posted. I don't know, some way of letting others have some rough idea of their general location without bombing I think would expand the knowledge for all. Again, just my opinion, take it or leave it.
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You guys guilted me into it. Just updated mine to show my location. Hopefully some others will do the same.
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Nothing wrong with letting people know the general location in where you live and fish. In fact, this is how I met my river brother - Jimmy
It was through the Speypages, he saw a post from me and sent a PM. We met up at our home river and there it started. Been brothers now for about 10 years. He truly is a brother from another mother and I can't imagine life without him. So there is a positive, making new friends.

Naming rivers is another topic. Personally if I would like any info on a river, I do it through PM's and again, I search out members within the area of the river and ask general questions.


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Nothing wrong with letting people know the general location in where you live and fish. In fact, this is how I met my river brother - Jimmy
It was through the Speypages, he saw a post from me and sent a PM. We met up at our home river and there it started. Been brothers now for about 10 years. He truly is a brother from another mother and I can't imagine life without him. So there is a positive, making new friends.

Naming rivers is another topic. Personally if I would like any info on a river, I do it through PM's and again, I search out members within the area of the river and ask general questions.


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It has been evidenced that by publisizing that river XX is fishing well, suddenly great numbers of anglers descend on that river putting undue pressure there. A quick online search can bring up recent posts on social media showing “this place is going off”. Then watch the anglers wanting a quick answer of “where do I fish” descend.

Sadly I agree. Optimistically and as a data nerd I wish there were a way to bring data into this pursuit without unintended consequences, but those looking for a shortcut (fly, gear, or otherwise) will latch on. Point taken.

What if we simplify to just the intended purpose - data sharing with government conservation agencies and deserving NGOs (i.e. Trout Unlimited, WDFW, etc.)? Create an anonymous data submission for us catch and release fisher masochist anomalies which would be used for conservation and be potentially reported out as aggregate figures seasonally. Maybe I’m an optimist, but that seems beneficial with no adverse consequences. Then again it would depend upon willingness of the community to participate. Thoughts?


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Smack dab in the middle of CalUnicornia is where I find myself during this time. I haven't picked up a spey rod since I took a class with Jeff Putnam October last year.

I did get a run to the Delta for striper using SH... lots of people taking advantage of the shutdown for sure. I think I forgot how to cast DH.
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